From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Mathias Stearn <mathias@mongodb.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Chris Kennelly <ckennelly@google.com>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
regressions@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Jinjie Ruan <ruanjinjie@huawei.com>,
Blake Oler <blake.oler@mongodb.com>
Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] rseq: refactoring in v6.19 broke everyone on arm64 and tcmalloc everywhere
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2026 13:48:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fr4l28zn.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHnCjA2fa+dP1+yCYNQrTXQaW-JdtfMj7wMikwMeeCRg-3NhiA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 23 2026 at 11:24, Mathias Stearn wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2026 at 3:13 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> To make this more concrete, I am proposing adding
>
> unsafe_put_user((u32)task_cpu(t), &t->rseq.usrptr->cpu_id_start, efault);
>
> after each place where you currently do
>
> unsafe_put_user(0ULL, &t->rseq.usrptr->rseq_cs, efault);
>
> in rseq_update_user_cs. Is that something that you would expect to cause a
> performance issue?
That would work and not bring the performance issues back, but:
1) Did you validate that adding the reset into rseq_update_user_cs() is
actually sufficient?
If adding it to rseq_update_user_cs() is not sufficient, then we
have a really serious problem. Because we'd need to go back and do
it unconditionally, which then makes the 15% performance
regression, which happened when glibc enabled rseq, come back
instantaneously. And in that case the damage for tcmalloc() is the
lesser of two evils.
2) The tcmalloc abuse breaks the documented and guaranteed user space
ABI and therefore it makes it impossible for any other library in
an application which uses tcmalloc to rely on the documented and
guaranteed rseq::cpu_id_start/rseq::cpu_id semantics.
Which means, that tcmalloc is holding everybody else hostage.
That's just not acceptable. Not even under the no regression rule.
3) The fact that tcmalloc prevents a user from enabling rseq debugging
is equally unacceptable as it does not allow me to validate my own
rseq magic code in my mongodb client because enabling it will make
the DB I want to test against go away.
Again tcmalloc holds everybody else hostage for no reason at all.
The most amazing part is that tcmalloc uses this to spare two
instruction cycles, but nobody noticed in 8 years how much performance
the unconditional rseq nonsense in the kernel left on the table.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-23 11:48 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <CAHnCjA25b+nO2n5CeifknSKHssJpPrjnf+dtr7UgzRw4Zgu=oA@mail.gmail.com>
2026-04-22 12:56 ` [REGRESSION] rseq: refactoring in v6.19 broke everyone on arm64 and tcmalloc everywhere Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-22 13:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-23 10:38 ` Mathias Stearn
[not found] ` <CAHnCjA2fa+dP1+yCYNQrTXQaW-JdtfMj7wMikwMeeCRg-3NhiA@mail.gmail.com>
2026-04-23 11:48 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-04-23 12:11 ` Mathias Stearn
2026-04-23 17:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-23 17:38 ` Chris Kennelly
2026-04-23 17:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-04-23 19:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-23 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-23 18:35 ` Mathias Stearn
2026-04-23 18:53 ` Mark Rutland
2026-04-23 21:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-23 21:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-23 23:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-04-22 13:09 ` Mark Rutland
2026-04-22 17:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-22 18:11 ` Mark Rutland
2026-04-22 19:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-23 1:48 ` Jinjie Ruan
2026-04-23 5:53 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2026-04-23 10:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-23 10:51 ` Mathias Stearn
2026-04-23 12:24 ` David Laight
2026-04-23 19:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-24 7:56 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2026-04-24 8:32 ` Mathias Stearn
2026-04-24 9:30 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2026-04-24 14:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-24 15:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 19:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-23 12:11 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-04-23 12:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-04-23 12:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-04-23 12:36 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2026-04-23 12:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-04-23 12:58 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2026-04-24 16:45 ` [PATCH] arm64/entry: Fix arm64-specific rseq brokenness (was: Re: [REGRESSION] rseq: refactoring in v6.19 broke everyone on arm64) " Mark Rutland
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