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From: tglx@linutronix.de (Thomas Gleixner)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC] clk: add support for automatic parent handling
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:33:49 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1104211147300.3323@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DAFD5AA.9020404@codeaurora.org>

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011, Saravana Kannan wrote:
> On 04/20/2011 12:52 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > So what's wrong with that code:
> > 
> > 1) struct clk is just a collection of function pointers and two locks
> > 
> >     It lacks:
> > 
> >     - a flag field for properties
> Agree. I would very much like it.
> 
> >     - a field for the parent
> 
> Agree.
> 
> >     - a field for the current clock rate
> 
> Meh! Not a big deal. Some clocks don't have the concept of setting their rate
> since they share a parent with another unrelated clock (Ah, looks like you
> talk about with the tree diagram). So, it might be easier to have the rate
> inside each implementation if they need it. I shouldn't add too much code.

No. Each clock has a rate, even if it's fixed and there is no point in
calling down the tree to figure that out.
 
> >     - a field for the base register
> 
> Definitely no. It's completely useless for clocks whose registers don't all
> line up with fixed offsets from the base register. Now I will have to put one
> register here and the rest of the registers in the internal data?
>
> >     - a struct for the offsets of the most common registers relative to
> >       base
> 
> Ok, you thought about rest of the registers. But, how can this fit in the
> common code? Each clock h/w implementation has totally different set of
> registers. Sometimes different even within the same SoC. This would be quite
> wasteful and doesn't even make sense to store at the top level. Also, storing
> offsets is a pain in the neck when the register space is not clean (happens
> more often than we would like :-().

Depends, there is a lot of sane hardware out there (not necessarily in
the ARM SoC world). We can do with a pointer if the need arises.
 
> >     optionally a set of common register accessor functions like I did
> >     for the generic irq chip.
> 
> Again, I don't see the point in having this in the common code. May be I'm
> missing something?

See my RFC patch of a generic irq chip implementation and how much
duplicated five line inline functions they removed.
 
> IMO, a better option instead of the base register and the offsets would be an
> option to have a priv_data pointer. I forgot the exact use case, but we
> thought that would have been helpful when we tried to port the msm clock
> driver in our tree on top of Jeremy's patches.

It works either way, but we should try to comeup with a sensible
common base struct for sane hardware.
 
> > 2) The "framework" API is just a set of low level primitive helper
> >     functions
> > 
> >     It lacks:
> > 
> >     - proper refcounting. clk_get() / clk_put() should do that at the
> >       framework level.
> 
> This has nothing to do with the patches Jeremy made. clk_get()/_put() is in
> clkdev. Also, I'm not sure if clk_get()/put() needs refcounting. That's like
> asking kalloc/kfree to have refcounting.

Ok. I missed the clkdev part.
 
> >     - the ability to propagate enable/disable/prepare/unprepare down
> >       through the parent tree
> 
> Agree. That would be nice. I think the main reason people were not pushing for
> it was to do things in manageable steps. It took a long time for people to
> agree on even the current framework Jeremy added.

Sad enough. But I'm not happy about that in any way. I know where it
ends if you try to please everyone and agree on everything.

> >     - proper mechanisms to sanity check clk_set_parent(),
> >       clk_set_rate() et. al.
> > 
> >       This is not a implementation detail inside a specific clock. It's
> >       a problem which is common at least on the tree level:
> > 
> >                      rootclk
> >                   /          \
> >                clk1          clk2
> >               /   \
> >             clk3  clk4
> > 	   /
> >           clk5
> > 
> >      So now you want to change the rate of clk1. Can you do that?
> > 
> >      No, but where is the sanity check which prevents that ?
> >
> >          In the clk1->set_rate() callback ?
> > 
> > 	Great, that's the wrong place.
> 
> Ah! Nice to see that this bothers you too. This has been a point of contention
> with in our internal team too. I keep pushing back on requests to make child
> clock's set rate propagate up to the patent when the parent has two unrelated
> child clocks going to different devices.
> 
> IMO, the set rate should only work on the parent clock and if there really in
> a need to change the child clock rates, then the users of those child clocks
> will have to co-ordinate it amongst themselves. Although, our use case is a
> bit simpler in that most of the time the child clocks are direct branches (no
> dividers) of the parent.

Still most of this should be handled in the common code. It's not a
unique problem to a single hardware implementation. It's just a given
problem due to the tree nature. And the current code completely lacks
a representation of that and therefor all needs to be done at the
implementation detail level.
 
> I'm not sure how realistic/common your example of switching parents for clk3
> is. May be it is -- I would interested in what people have to say.

I just used it to illustrate what common code should handle.
 
> So, between clk_set_divider(), clk_set_parent() and clk_set_rate(), I think we
> should be able to cover most clock trees as long as we don't propagate
> clk_set_rate() to parents with more than one children. In those case, the
> children should just implement clk_set_divider() (or not even that if there is
> no divider) and not allow clk_set_rate().

The problem starts exactly at the point where you have all that
propagation decision stuff in the chip implementation.

clk_set_rate(clk, rate)
{
	u64 parent_rate = 0;

        if (clk->users > 1)
	      	 return -EBUSY;

	if (!clk->set_rate)
	   	 return rate == clk->rate ? 0 : -EINVAL;

	ret = clk->set_rate(rate, &div, &parent_rate);
	if (!ret)
		return 0;

	if (ret != NEED_PARENT_CHANGE)
	   	return ret;

	if (WARN_ON(!clk->parent))
		return -EINVAL;

        ret = clk_set_rate(clk->parent, parent_rate);
        return ret ? ret : clk->set_rate(rate, NULL);
}

Something along that will cover the tree traversal and remove the
propagation from the chip implementations. 

> > So unless you fix this stuff you should not even think about
> > converting anything to this "framework". That's just waste of time and
> > effort. Aside of declaring it stable and useful ....
> 
> I think you haven't seen all the repetition of refcounting and each mach's
> implementation of some variant of clock ops. The current patch set from Jeremy

Yes, I have looked through the maze as I went through all irq stuff
recently. Jeremys stuff is a start, but I think we should start with
something a bit more complete than that minimal set. I know the pain
when you start with a minimal set and try to force people into
cleaning up their stuff over and over. :(

And we can identify stuff already, so it should be added now.

> will certainly help cut down some of that. If we get the "enable parent before
> you enable child, etc" in now, I don't think there will be much churn when we
> try to add code to enforce the tree restrictions you mention above.

Yes, that's needs to be done before we start churning the tree.
 
> > The least thing which we need now are half baken "abstractions" which
> > just shuffle code around for no value.
> 
> While a lot of your points are correct, I don't think the current patches from
> Jeremy are useless. May be I'm completely mistaken in assuming that you are
> referring to Jeremy's patches?

I'm not saying they are useless, but they need to be more complete
before we start converting code to it.
 
> Btw, on a slight tangent, there is also the problem of clk_round_rate() not
> being sufficient when a driver is trying to work across different mach's. I
> think we need a clk_set_rate_range(min, ideal, max) but I can start a separate
> thread on that if you want. I talked about it a bit in another thread.

Yes, but that's one step after the minimal set :)

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-21 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-15 19:08 [RFC] sanitizing crazy clock data files Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 01/10] Add a common struct clk Sascha Hauer
2011-04-21 19:48   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-22  0:28     ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-22  9:23       ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-23 14:08         ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-23 15:30           ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-24  2:54             ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-24  7:20             ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-24  9:55               ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-22  4:57     ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-22  9:13       ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 10:09     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 10:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 10:58         ` Tony Lindgren
2011-04-29 11:01         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-30 18:30           ` Pavel Machek
2011-04-30  8:06   ` Linus Walleij
2011-04-30  9:01     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-30 16:30       ` Linus Walleij
2011-05-01 20:33   ` Rob Herring
2011-05-02  1:09     ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-05-02  3:09       ` Rob Herring
2011-05-02  3:40         ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-05-02 16:30           ` Rob Herring
2011-05-02 22:36             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-05-03  0:22               ` Saravana Kannan
2011-05-04  6:40                 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-05-04 18:33                   ` Saravana Kannan
2011-05-04 23:35               ` Paul Walmsley
2011-05-10 20:06                 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-05-02 16:55           ` David Brown
2011-05-02 17:31             ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 02/10] clk: Generic support for fixed-rate clocks Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 03/10] clk: Make NULL a valid clock again Sascha Hauer
2011-04-19  0:53   ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-04-19  6:25     ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-20 12:53   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 04/10] clk: implement parent pass through functions Sascha Hauer
2011-04-18  9:25   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-18  9:48     ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-19 17:20   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-19 17:53     ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-19 19:09       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-19 20:58         ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-19 21:54         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-20  7:16           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-20  8:34             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-20 14:07           ` [PATCH RFC] clk: add support for automatic parent handling Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-20 16:16             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-20 18:59               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-20 19:52                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-21  6:58                   ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-21 10:33                     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2011-04-21 19:22                       ` torbenh
2011-04-23 23:26                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-21  7:22                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-21  9:12                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-21 10:31                       ` Mark Brown
2011-04-21 11:42                         ` Tony Lindgren
2011-04-21 14:52                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-22  7:09                             ` Tony Lindgren
2011-04-22  8:22                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-21 14:29                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 10:37                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 11:01                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 11:06                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 12:13                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 13:26                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 15:31                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 22:07                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 22:16                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 22:19                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 22:47                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-30 14:27                                 ` torbenh
2011-05-03  6:35                                   ` Colin Cross
2011-05-05  8:35                                     ` torbenh
2011-05-03  2:44                                 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-05-03  2:46                                   ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-21 10:13                     ` Mark Brown
2011-04-21 11:39                       ` Tony Lindgren
2011-04-21  7:42                   ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-21  9:21                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-21 11:50                       ` Mark Brown
2011-04-21 12:20                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-21 12:35                           ` Mark Brown
2011-04-25  2:03                             ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-25 10:57                               ` Mark Brown
2011-04-25 14:41                                 ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-25 14:44                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-04-29 10:49                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 11:11                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 11:38                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 12:19                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 13:27                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 15:47                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-21 12:06                       ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-21 15:38                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-22  0:23                           ` Colin Cross
2011-04-22  9:51                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-22 16:14                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-22 16:39                               ` Colin Cross
2011-04-22 16:57                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-22 22:26                                   ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-22 22:55                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-23  0:48                                       ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-23 23:34                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-04-22  4:54                           ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-22  9:06                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 10:30                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-29 10:51                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-04-29 10:56                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-24  9:45             ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-24 20:14               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-29 10:20       ` [PATCH 04/10] clk: implement parent pass through functions Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 05/10] clk: Add support for simple dividers Sascha Hauer
2011-04-18  9:49   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-18 10:07     ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-19  2:45       ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-19  7:32         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-19  8:55           ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-19  9:31             ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-19 22:28               ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-20  6:36                 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-20 21:45                   ` Saravana Kannan
2011-04-21  7:39                     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-28 15:14         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-05-03  3:37           ` Saravana Kannan
2011-05-03  7:12             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-28 15:22     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-05-02  7:58       ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-18 22:40   ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-19  0:32     ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-04-19  5:41       ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-24 13:48   ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-25 18:51     ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-26  1:54       ` Richard Zhao
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 06/10] clk: Add support for a generic clock multiplexer Sascha Hauer
2011-04-18 13:15   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-18 13:33     ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-18 13:54       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-18 17:54       ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-18 18:34         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-18 18:41           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-18 18:46             ` Stephen Boyd
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 07/10] ARM i.MX: Support for clock building blocks Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 08/10] ARM i.MX: Add generic support for pllv2 Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 09/10] ARM i.MX51/53: reimplement clock support Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 19:08 ` [PATCH 10/10] ARM i.MX51/53: remove old " Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 19:36 ` [RFC] sanitizing crazy clock data files Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-15 20:12   ` Sascha Hauer
2011-04-15 20:25     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-15 20:28       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-04-15 20:49         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-18  4:07     ` Shawn Guo
2011-04-15 20:45 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-04-18  7:42 ` Sascha Hauer

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