* [Bluez-users] PANU service search @ 2005-03-28 13:22 Claudio Takahasi 2005-03-28 13:29 ` [Bluez-devel] " Marcel Holtmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-devel, bluez-users Hi, The sdptool doesn't provide search for PANU service. Is there plans for implement this? A PANU device can be started with the following command: pand --listen --role PANU This scenario can be usefull when there are a lot of servers and a client device works as a GN connecting these servers. eg: UPnP applications. Claudio. ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-users mailing list Bluez-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-users ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 13:22 [Bluez-users] PANU service search Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 13:29 ` Marcel Holtmann 2005-03-28 14:07 ` Claudio Takahasi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ Mailing List; +Cc: BlueZ Mailing List Hi Claudio, > The sdptool doesn't provide search for PANU service. Is there plans > for implement this? you can do it by "sdptool search --bdaddr <bdaddr> 0x1115". > A PANU device can be started with the following command: > pand --listen --role PANU > > This scenario can be usefull when there are a lot of servers and a > client device works as a GN connecting these servers. eg: UPnP applications. The pand client can search for PANU by itself and I don't see any real use for it. However send in a patch for it. Regards Marcel ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 13:29 ` [Bluez-devel] " Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 14:07 ` Claudio Takahasi 2005-03-28 14:18 ` Marcel Holtmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-devel Hi Marcel, Suppose an UPnP application where a control point(role GN controller) needs search for services in several servers. The control point is the active member and it will search for other devices. It must be the GN controller because sometimes foward packet is required. The UPnP search takes few seconds therefore connect and search for UPnP service on each server is unacceptable. Someone can suggest use a search for UPnP service at bluetooth SDP level, searching only devices that provide UPnP service. It solve the problem for ad hoc networks, but can't solve in network access point scenario. This is the reason for establish the PAN and after use the UPnP search. Regards, Claudio. On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:29:20 +0200, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > > The sdptool doesn't provide search for PANU service. Is there plans > > for implement this? > > you can do it by "sdptool search --bdaddr <bdaddr> 0x1115". > > > A PANU device can be started with the following command: > > pand --listen --role PANU > > > > This scenario can be usefull when there are a lot of servers and a > > client device works as a GN connecting these servers. eg: UPnP applications. > > The pand client can search for PANU by itself and I don't see any real > use for it. However send in a patch for it. > > Regards > > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-devel mailing list > Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel > ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 14:07 ` Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 14:18 ` Marcel Holtmann 2005-03-28 19:03 ` Claudio Takahasi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ Mailing List Hi Claudio, > Suppose an UPnP application where a control point(role GN controller) > needs search for > services in several servers. The control point is the active member > and it will search for other devices. It must be the GN controller > because sometimes foward packet is required. > > The UPnP search takes few seconds therefore connect and search for UPnP service > on each server is unacceptable. > > Someone can suggest use a search for UPnP service at bluetooth SDP level, > searching only devices that provide UPnP service. It solve the problem > for ad hoc > networks, but can't solve in network access point scenario. This is the reason > for establish the PAN and after use the UPnP search. I have no idea what you are talking about. You need to create a low level ACL link to do SDP searching, or create the BNEP connection or whatever. This is the time consuming (and blocking) action. So if you want to establish a PAN first and then do UPnP over TCP/IP that is fine. I don't see your problem. Regards Marcel ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 14:18 ` Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 19:03 ` Claudio Takahasi 2005-03-28 19:22 ` Marcel Holtmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-devel Hi Marcel, I will try explain my problem more deeply. Bluetooth Extended Service Discovery Profile (ESDP) for Universal Plug and Play(UPnP) defines how devices with Bluetooth wireless communications can use the Bluetooth Service Discovery Protocol (SDP) initially to discover other devices that support UPnP services and retrieve information about these services. For more details see http://www.bluetooth.org document: ESDP_for_UPnP_V0.95.pdf According with this profile three approach can be implemented: 1. L2CAP -based Solution: focus on layering UPnP services over the L2CAP layer of the Bluetooth protocol stack for use by devices that lack IP support. 2. IP-based Solution using PAN Profile: focus on layering UPnP services over the Bluetooth Personal Area Networking (PAN) Profile. 3. IP-based Solution using LAN Access Profile : focus on layering UPnP services over the Bluetooth Local Area Network (LAN) Access Profile. I choose the SECOND because I have to address ad hoc and NAP scenarios. The 3th option doesn't support multiple connections. The first option is not feasible for me because a UPnP service can be available in a server that belong to a LAN. Therefore, using L2CAP -based Solution I will not be able to search UPnP service in a device that doesn't belongs directly to the PAN. After select the SECOND approach two scenarios exist: - Ad Hoc scenario The Control Point* device(role GN) will establish a PAN with PANUs devices(listen enabled), assign IP to the nodes and after search for UPnP services. The Control Point is the active member, it search for other devices and must foward packet to all devices that belongs to the PAN. - NAP scenario If a NAP(listen enabled) is available, the Control Point(role PANU) will connect to the NAP and search for UPnP service in the LAN I implemented the search for PANU service and tested. Now, what is the procedure to submit a new patch. I am not sure if this small enhancement can be usefull for the bluez community. Regards, Claudio. * A control point initiates discovery and communication with UPnP devices, and receives events from UPnP devices. On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:18:02 +0200, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > > Suppose an UPnP application where a control point(role GN controller) > > needs search for > > services in several servers. The control point is the active member > > and it will search for other devices. It must be the GN controller > > because sometimes foward packet is required. > > > > The UPnP search takes few seconds therefore connect and search for UPnP service > > on each server is unacceptable. > > > > Someone can suggest use a search for UPnP service at bluetooth SDP level, > > searching only devices that provide UPnP service. It solve the problem > > for ad hoc > > networks, but can't solve in network access point scenario. This is the reason > > for establish the PAN and after use the UPnP search. > > I have no idea what you are talking about. You need to create a low > level ACL link to do SDP searching, or create the BNEP connection or > whatever. This is the time consuming (and blocking) action. So if you > want to establish a PAN first and then do UPnP over TCP/IP that is fine. > I don't see your problem. > > Regards > > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-devel mailing list > Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel > ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 19:03 ` Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 19:22 ` Marcel Holtmann 2005-03-28 19:46 ` Claudio Takahasi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ Mailing List Hi Claudio, > I will try explain my problem more deeply. > > Bluetooth Extended Service Discovery Profile (ESDP) for Universal Plug > and Play(UPnP) > defines how devices with Bluetooth wireless communications can use the > Bluetooth > Service Discovery Protocol (SDP) initially to discover other devices > that support UPnP > services and retrieve information about these services. > For more details see http://www.bluetooth.org document: ESDP_for_UPnP_V0.95.pdf > > According with this profile three approach can be implemented: > 1. L2CAP -based Solution: focus on layering UPnP services > over the L2CAP layer of the Bluetooth protocol stack for use by > devices that lack IP support. > 2. IP-based Solution using PAN Profile: focus on layering UPnP > services over the Bluetooth Personal Area Networking (PAN) Profile. > 3. IP-based Solution using LAN Access Profile : focus on layering UPnP > services over the Bluetooth Local Area Network (LAN) Access Profile. > > I choose the SECOND because I have to address ad hoc and NAP scenarios. The 3th > option doesn't support multiple connections. The first option is not > feasible for me > because a UPnP service can be available in a server that belong to a > LAN. Therefore, > using L2CAP -based Solution I will not be able to search UPnP service > in a device > that doesn't belongs directly to the PAN. > > > After select the SECOND approach two scenarios exist: > - Ad Hoc scenario > The Control Point* device(role GN) will establish a PAN with PANUs > devices(listen enabled), assign IP to the nodes and after search for > UPnP services. The Control Point is the active member, it search for other > devices and must foward packet to all devices that belongs to the PAN. > > - NAP scenario > If a NAP(listen enabled) is available, the Control Point(role PANU) > will connect to > the NAP and search for UPnP service in the LAN and I still don't see your problem here. Everything is available for doing this. > I implemented the search for PANU service and tested. Now, what is the > procedure to > submit a new patch. I am not sure if this small enhancement can be > usefull for the > bluez community. Create a patch and post it to the bluez-devel mailing list. Regards Marcel ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 19:22 ` Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 19:46 ` Claudio Takahasi 2005-03-28 20:01 ` Marcel Holtmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3133 bytes --] Hi Marcel, The code for support search for PANU service is attached. The change is very small but will help me create a PAN for UPnP application in ad hoc scenario. Regards, Claudio. On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:22:20 +0200, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > > I will try explain my problem more deeply. > > > > Bluetooth Extended Service Discovery Profile (ESDP) for Universal Plug > > and Play(UPnP) > > defines how devices with Bluetooth wireless communications can use the > > Bluetooth > > Service Discovery Protocol (SDP) initially to discover other devices > > that support UPnP > > services and retrieve information about these services. > > For more details see http://www.bluetooth.org document: ESDP_for_UPnP_V0.95.pdf > > > > According with this profile three approach can be implemented: > > 1. L2CAP -based Solution: focus on layering UPnP services > > over the L2CAP layer of the Bluetooth protocol stack for use by > > devices that lack IP support. > > 2. IP-based Solution using PAN Profile: focus on layering UPnP > > services over the Bluetooth Personal Area Networking (PAN) Profile. > > 3. IP-based Solution using LAN Access Profile : focus on layering UPnP > > services over the Bluetooth Local Area Network (LAN) Access Profile. > > > > I choose the SECOND because I have to address ad hoc and NAP scenarios. The 3th > > option doesn't support multiple connections. The first option is not > > feasible for me > > because a UPnP service can be available in a server that belong to a > > LAN. Therefore, > > using L2CAP -based Solution I will not be able to search UPnP service > > in a device > > that doesn't belongs directly to the PAN. > > > > > > After select the SECOND approach two scenarios exist: > > - Ad Hoc scenario > > The Control Point* device(role GN) will establish a PAN with PANUs > > devices(listen enabled), assign IP to the nodes and after search for > > UPnP services. The Control Point is the active member, it search for other > > devices and must foward packet to all devices that belongs to the PAN. > > > > - NAP scenario > > If a NAP(listen enabled) is available, the Control Point(role PANU) > > will connect to > > the NAP and search for UPnP service in the LAN > > and I still don't see your problem here. Everything is available for > doing this. > > > I implemented the search for PANU service and tested. Now, what is the > > procedure to > > submit a new patch. I am not sure if this small enhancement can be > > usefull for the > > bluez community. > > Create a patch and post it to the bluez-devel mailing list. > > Regards > > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-devel mailing list > Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel > [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: panu_support.diff --] [-- Type: text/x-patch; name="panu_support.diff", Size: 2599 bytes --] --- bluez-utils-2.15/tools/sdptool.c 2004-12-25 16:06:02.000000000 -0200 +++ bluez-utils-2.15-panu/tools/sdptool.c 2005-03-28 14:09:33.245185360 -0300 @@ -1599,6 +1599,69 @@ return ret; } + +static int add_panu(sdp_session_t *session, svc_info_t *si) +{ + sdp_list_t *svclass_id, *pfseq, *apseq, *root; + uuid_t root_uuid, ftrn_uuid, l2cap_uuid, bnep_uuid; + sdp_profile_desc_t profile[1]; + sdp_list_t *aproto, *proto[2]; + sdp_record_t record; + uint16_t lp = 0x000f, ver = 0x0100; + sdp_data_t *psm, *version; + int ret = 0; + + memset((void *)&record, 0, sizeof(sdp_record_t)); + record.handle = 0xffffffff; + sdp_uuid16_create(&root_uuid, PUBLIC_BROWSE_GROUP); + root = sdp_list_append(NULL, &root_uuid); + sdp_set_browse_groups(&record, root); + sdp_list_free(root, NULL); + + sdp_uuid16_create(&ftrn_uuid, PANU_SVCLASS_ID); + svclass_id = sdp_list_append(NULL, &ftrn_uuid); + sdp_set_service_classes(&record, svclass_id); + sdp_list_free(svclass_id, NULL); + + sdp_uuid16_create(&profile[0].uuid, PANU_PROFILE_ID); + profile[0].version = 0x0100; + pfseq = sdp_list_append(NULL, &profile[0]); + sdp_set_profile_descs(&record, pfseq); + sdp_list_free(pfseq, NULL); + + sdp_uuid16_create(&l2cap_uuid, L2CAP_UUID); + proto[0] = sdp_list_append(NULL, &l2cap_uuid); + psm = sdp_data_alloc(SDP_UINT16, &lp); + proto[0] = sdp_list_append(proto[0], psm); + apseq = sdp_list_append(NULL, proto[0]); + + sdp_uuid16_create(&bnep_uuid, BNEP_UUID); + proto[1] = sdp_list_append(NULL, &bnep_uuid); + version = sdp_data_alloc(SDP_UINT16, &ver); + proto[1] = sdp_list_append(proto[1], version); + apseq = sdp_list_append(apseq, proto[1]); + + aproto = sdp_list_append(NULL, apseq); + sdp_set_access_protos(&record, aproto); + + sdp_set_info_attr(&record, "PAN User", NULL, NULL); + + if (sdp_record_register(session, &record, SDP_RECORD_PERSIST) < 0) { + printf("Service Record registration failed\n"); + ret = -1; + goto end; + } + printf("PANU service registered\n"); +end: + sdp_data_free(version); + sdp_data_free(psm); + sdp_list_free(proto[0], 0); + sdp_list_free(proto[1], 0); + sdp_list_free(apseq, 0); + sdp_list_free(aproto, 0); + return ret; +} + static int add_ctp(sdp_session_t *session, svc_info_t *si) { sdp_list_t *svclass_id, *pfseq, *apseq, *root; @@ -1793,6 +1856,7 @@ { "NAP", NAP_SVCLASS_ID, add_nap }, { "GN", GN_SVCLASS_ID, add_gn }, + { "PANU", PANU_SVCLASS_ID, add_panu }, { "HID", HID_SVCLASS_ID, NULL }, { "CIP", CIP_SVCLASS_ID, NULL }, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 19:46 ` Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 20:01 ` Marcel Holtmann 2005-03-28 20:48 ` Claudio Takahasi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: BlueZ Mailing List Hi Claudio, > The code for support search for PANU service is attached. The change > is very small > but will help me create a PAN for UPnP application in ad hoc scenario. I applied the patch to the CVS, but I still don't get why you needed it in the first place. The pand application is able to register the PANU service record and search for it by itself. Regards Marcel ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [Bluez-devel] Re: [Bluez-users] PANU service search 2005-03-28 20:01 ` Marcel Holtmann @ 2005-03-28 20:48 ` Claudio Takahasi 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Claudio Takahasi @ 2005-03-28 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bluez-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2120 bytes --] Hi Marcel, Sorry, I forgot clarify one point. I added the function "add_panu" just for convenience. Search for PANU service is just a small part of my project, I need solve a lot bluetooth issues to provide a seamless connectivity for UPnP applications. I agree that the function "add_panu" is unncessary if we consider that this service is provided by pand daemon (pand --listen --role PANU) Therefore, another approach is add "NULL" instead of "add_panu" in the service structure. The patch for this approach is attached. Be aware that "sdptool add panu" will run but nothing will be exported. The structure "service" is common for add and search features. I have 3 years of experience with mobile application for cell phones, but this is my first open source development. Sorry for the large amount of emails, but understand all bluez features is hard task. Please forgot my last email. When my research became more advanced/clear I will contact you again for support. Regards, Claudio. ________________________________________ Claudio Takahasi INdT - Nokia Technology Institute Phone: +55 81 21223034 Recife - Pernambuco - Brazil On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:01:57 +0200, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org> wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > > The code for support search for PANU service is attached. The change > > is very small > > but will help me create a PAN for UPnP application in ad hoc scenario. > > I applied the patch to the CVS, but I still don't get why you needed it > in the first place. The pand application is able to register the PANU > service record and search for it by itself. > > Regards > > Marcel > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-devel mailing list > Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel > [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: panu_support_2.diff --] [-- Type: text/x-patch; name="panu_support_2.diff", Size: 413 bytes --] --- bluez-utils-2.15-panu2/tools/sdptool.c 2005-03-28 17:27:13.934245848 -0300 +++ bluez-utils-2.15/tools/sdptool.c 2004-12-25 16:06:02.000000000 -0200 @@ -1793,7 +1793,6 @@ { "NAP", NAP_SVCLASS_ID, add_nap }, { "GN", GN_SVCLASS_ID, add_gn }, - { "PANU", PANU_SVCLASS_ID, NULL }, { "HID", HID_SVCLASS_ID, NULL }, { "CIP", CIP_SVCLASS_ID, NULL }, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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