[Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

Hi,

recently my bluez version got updated and it seems "pin_helper"  
doesn't work anymore in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf.

What's the recipe in the current version of bluez to get this working  
again? I can't pair with my phone any longer. Phone asks for the PIN  
but how does bluez determine what the proper pin is, to enter on the  
phone?

Thanks,

Bas.


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Brad Midgley]

Bas

install bluez-passkey-gnome if this is ubuntu/debian (or the equivalent
package if not).

brad

> recently my bluez version got updated and it seems "pin_helper"  
> doesn't work anymore in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf.
> 
> What's the recipe in the current version of bluez to get this working  
> again? I can't pair with my phone any longer. Phone asks for the PIN  
> but how does bluez determine what the proper pin is, to enter on the  
> phone?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bas.
> 
> 
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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 17:12, Brad Midgley wrote:

> install bluez-passkey-gnome if this is ubuntu/debian (or the  
> equivalent
> package if not).

It's a headless debian box.

No solution for headless operation?


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Brad Midgley]

Bas

you can still add a pin_helper setting in hcid.conf.

brad

> On 10-jan-2007, at 17:12, Brad Midgley wrote:
> 
>> install bluez-passkey-gnome if this is ubuntu/debian (or the  
>> equivalent
>> package if not).
> 
> It's a headless debian box.
> 
> No solution for headless operation?
> 
> 
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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 17:51, Brad Midgley wrote:

> you can still add a pin_helper setting in hcid.conf.

hcid complains when I do just that:

Jan 10 17:56:27 localhost hcid[8326]: Unknown option 'pin_helper'  
line 26

:(



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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

Ok, got it. Unsupported but I'll take it:

> Note to the tech-savy:
> If you are stuck in console and absolutely need to pair with your
> bluetooth device have a look at
> /var/lib/bluetooth/<your_device_address>/pincodes. Please note that
> this mode of operation is _not_ _supported_. Don't mess with files in
> /var/lib/bluetooth/ unless you know what you are doing. I repeat:
> manually adding a pincode for a remote device is NOT SUPPORTED.

(my config used to be "supported" by specifying "pin_helper" in  
hcid.conf yet it broke anyway so I may as well use an unsupported  
method)


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Andrew Kohlsmith]

On Wednesday 10 January 2007 11:56 am, Bas Schulte wrote:
> hcid complains when I do just that:
>
> Jan 10 17:56:27 localhost hcid[8326]: Unknown option 'pin_helper'
> line 26

I just use "passkey 0000;" and security auto.  It seems to be the New Way if 
you don't want to use dbus.

-A.

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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Paul Gardiner]

Bas Schulte wrote:
> Ok, got it. Unsupported but I'll take it:
> 
>> Note to the tech-savy:
>> If you are stuck in console and absolutely need to pair with your
>> bluetooth device have a look at
>> /var/lib/bluetooth/<your_device_address>/pincodes. Please note that
>> this mode of operation is _not_ _supported_. Don't mess with files in
>> /var/lib/bluetooth/ unless you know what you are doing. I repeat:
>> manually adding a pincode for a remote device is NOT SUPPORTED.
> 
> (my config used to be "supported" by specifying "pin_helper" in  
> hcid.conf yet it broke anyway so I may as well use an unsupported  
> method)

Seems strange under Linux to have a low level service so
reliant on the presence of a desktop.

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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 18:13, Paul Gardiner wrote:

> Seems strange under Linux to have a low level service so
> reliant on the presence of a desktop.

Good point.

I plan to use it on a box that doesn't even *have* a display or  
keyboard ;)



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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Marcel Holtmann]

Hi Bas,

> > Seems strange under Linux to have a low level service so
> > reliant on the presence of a desktop.
> 
> Good point.
> 
> I plan to use it on a box that doesn't even *have* a display or  
> keyboard ;)

this has been discussed to death. Starting with bluez-utils-3.x the PIN
helper concept has been deprecated and you have to provide a passkey
agent. Nobody said that this agent has to use a display. Check the
example passkey-agent.c in the source code.

Regards

Marcel



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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 18:12, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:

>> Jan 10 17:56:27 localhost hcid[8326]: Unknown option 'pin_helper'
>> line 26
>
> I just use "passkey 0000;" and security auto.  It seems to be the  
> New Way if
> you don't want to use dbus.

I think I tried that but I think that works the other way around.  
When entering the pin as specified in "passkey" on my phone, pairing  
fails. Although that may be yet another problem.


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 18:41, Marcel Holtmann wrote:

> this has been discussed to death. Starting with bluez-utils-3.x the  
> PIN
> helper concept has been deprecated and you have to provide a passkey
> agent. Nobody said that this agent has to use a display. Check the
> example passkey-agent.c in the source code.

The word "over-engineering" is about to leave my mouth.... *oops*,  
nope, won't say it.

;)


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Marcel Holtmann]

Hi Bas,

> > this has been discussed to death. Starting with bluez-utils-3.x the  
> > PIN
> > helper concept has been deprecated and you have to provide a passkey
> > agent. Nobody said that this agent has to use a display. Check the
> > example passkey-agent.c in the source code.
> 
> The word "over-engineering" is about to leave my mouth.... *oops*,  
> nope, won't say it.

once you realize the full picture behind it, you might think otherwise.
The change to a passkey agent concept and cleanly separating the
handling of a pairing from the PIN input was a wise decision. Especially
when the new Simple Pairing of Bluetooth 2.1 comes along.

Regards

Marcel



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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 19:00, Marcel Holtmann wrote:

>> The word "over-engineering" is about to leave my mouth.... *oops*,
>> nope, won't say it.
>
> once you realize the full picture behind it

Yeah, you're most likely right, I was kidding ;)

BTW, the gprs connection that worked fine before the upgrade doesn't  
work any longer. Another night of messing about to get it to work  
again :(


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[David Armour]

Marcel Holtmann <marcel <at> holtmann.org> writes:
> 
> Hi Bas,
> > > Seems strange under Linux to have a low level service so
> > > reliant on the presence of a desktop.
> > Good point.
> > I plan to use it on a box that doesn't even *have* a display or  
> > keyboard ;)
> 
> this has been discussed to death. Starting with bluez-utils-3.x the PIN
> helper concept has been deprecated and you have to provide a passkey
> agent. Nobody said that this agent has to use a display. Check the

I'm subscribed to Bluez-users digest as well as gnome-bluetooth, 
read this group on Gmane, and I would v. much like to know where 
I could see that discussion...  

Admittedly, *following* it might well be a different thing, for 
me, but I don't remember seeing references to the PIN helper 
concept being deprecated. I have seen references on Ubuntu's 
Users Mailing List that "pairing in edgy eft seems disabled or 
at least inactive" but I don't know if that's just rumour. 

I'm probably doing something horribly, horribly wrong. Any 
info greatly appreciated.

Regards.


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bearcat M. Sandor]

The reason this is being discussed to death is that there is no
documention telling us how to apply a pass code. If you don't have
documentation be prepared for things to be discussed.  Postings on a
mailing list is not documentation.

I realise that the bluez agent in gnome may be the desired way to go, but
as a linux user surely you realise that not all of us use Gnome.  Since
the bluez activity is happening at a lower level, i feel that the gui apps
should be simply an optional interface to the process not the idea process
itself.

That said, thank you for the great work on this stack. It is very
appreciated.

Bearcat M. Sandor
> this has been discussed to death. Starting with bluez-utils-3.x the PIN
> helper concept has been deprecated and you have to provide a passkey
> agent. Nobody said that this agent has to use a display. Check the
> example passkey-agent.c in the source code.
>
> Regards
>
> Marcel
>
>
>
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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Bas Schulte]

On 10-jan-2007, at 19:39, Bearcat M. Sandor wrote:

> The reason this is being discussed to death is that there is no
> documention telling us how to apply a pass code

Yep.

Problem now is that virtually every how-to flying around the 'net  
will make sure people will stay in the dark for another year or so as  
those all mention to put "pin_helper /usr/bin/something" etc. etc..

The wonders of progress, eh?


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Re: [Bluez-users] What happened with pin_helper (hcid.conf)?

[Stefan Seyfried]

On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 05:31:20PM +0100, Bas Schulte wrote:
> =

> On 10-jan-2007, at 17:12, Brad Midgley wrote:
> =

> > install bluez-passkey-gnome if this is ubuntu/debian (or the  =

> > equivalent
> > package if not).
> =

> It's a headless debian box.
> =

> No solution for headless operation?

Use ssh X-forwarding :-)

Or compile the "passkey-agent" example application in the bluez-utils
and use that.
-- =

Stefan Seyfried
QA / R&D Team Mobile Devices        |              "Any ideas, John?"
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, N=FCrnberg  | "Well, surrounding them's out." =


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