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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: btrfs_tree_lock & trylock
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:55:13 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1220889313.8537.50.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080908085054.21acbe77@extreme>

On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 08:50 -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:47:14 +0200
> Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 08:07:51AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:20:52 +0200
> > > Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 10:02:30AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 15:54 +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
> > > > > > > The idea is to try to spin for a bit to avoid scheduling away, which is
> > > > > > > especially important for the high levels.  Most holders of the mutex
> > > > > > > let it go very quickly.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ok but that surely should be implemented in the general mutex code then
> > > > > > or at least in a standard adaptive mutex wrapper? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > That depends, am I the only one crazy enough to think its a good idea?
> > > > 
> > > > Adaptive mutexes are classic, a lot of other OS have it.
> > > 
> > > The problem is that they are a nuisance. It is impossible to choose
> > > the right trade off between spin an no-spin, also they optimize for
> > > a case that doesn't occur often enough to be justified.
> > 
> > At least the numbers done by Gregory et.al. were dramatic improvements.
> > Given that was an extreme case in that the rt kernel does everything
> > with mutexes, but it was still a very clear win on a wide range
> > of workloads.
> > 
> > -Andi
> 
> My guess is that the improvement happens mostly from the first couple of tries,
> not from repeated spinning. And since it is a mutex, you could even do:

I started with lower spin counts, I really didn't want to spin at all
but the current values came from trial and error.

-chris



  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-08 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-08 11:10 btrfs_tree_lock & trylock Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 13:47 ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 13:54   ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 14:02     ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 14:20       ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:07         ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-09-08 15:28           ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 23:26             ` Steve Long
2008-09-08 15:47           ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:50             ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-09-08 15:55               ` Chris Mason [this message]
2008-09-08 16:13                 ` jim owens
2008-09-08 16:20                   ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 16:49                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-09-08 17:17                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-08 17:32                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-08 23:28                           ` Steve Long
2008-09-08 17:16           ` adaptive mutexes, was " Christoph Hellwig

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