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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: jim owens <jowens@hp.com>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: btrfs_tree_lock & trylock
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:20:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1220890832.8537.63.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48C54F12.3040702@hp.com>

On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 12:13 -0400, jim owens wrote:
> Chris Mason wrote:
> >> My guess is that the improvement happens mostly from the first couple of tries,
> >> not from repeated spinning. And since it is a mutex, you could even do:
> > 
> > I started with lower spin counts, I really didn't want to spin at all
> > but the current values came from trial and error.
> 
> Exactly the problem Steven is saying about adaptive locking.
> 
> Using benchmarks (or any test), on a small sample of systems
> leads you to conclude "this design/tuning combination is better".
> 
> I've been burned repeatedly by that... ugly things happen
> as you move away from your design testing center.
> 
> I'm not saying your code does not work, just that we need
> a lot more proof with different configurations and loads
> to see that is "at least no worse".

Oh, I completely agree.  This is tuned on just one CPU in a handful of
workloads.  In general, it makes sense to spin for about as long as it
takes someone to do a btree search in the block, which we could
benchmark up front at mount time.

I could also get better results from an API where the holder of the lock
indicates it is going to hold on to things for a while, which might
happen right before doing an IO.

Over the long term these are important issues, but for today I'm focused
on the disk format ;)

-chris



  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-08 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-08 11:10 btrfs_tree_lock & trylock Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 13:47 ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 13:54   ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 14:02     ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 14:20       ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:07         ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-09-08 15:28           ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 23:26             ` Steve Long
2008-09-08 15:47           ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-08 15:50             ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-09-08 15:55               ` Chris Mason
2008-09-08 16:13                 ` jim owens
2008-09-08 16:20                   ` Chris Mason [this message]
2008-09-08 16:49                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-09-08 17:17                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-08 17:32                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-08 23:28                           ` Steve Long
2008-09-08 17:16           ` adaptive mutexes, was " Christoph Hellwig

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