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From: Zygo Blaxell <zblaxell@furryterror.org>
To: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>
Cc: dsterba@suse.cz, Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] btrfs: More intelligent degraded chunk allocator
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:22:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191202032259.GN22121@hungrycats.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6dfede7-c65c-2321-ab8f-ba16a6a3c71f@gmx.com>

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On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 07:32:26AM +0800, Qu Wenruo wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2019/11/19 上午4:18, David Sterba wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 07, 2019 at 02:27:07PM +0800, Qu Wenruo wrote:
> >> This patchset will make btrfs degraded mount more intelligent and
> >> provide more consistent profile keeping function.
> >>
> >> One of the most problematic aspect of degraded mount is, btrfs may
> >> create unwanted profiles.
> >>
> >>  # mkfs.btrfs -f /dev/test/scratch[12] -m raid1 -d raid1
> >>  # wipefs -fa /dev/test/scratch2
> >>  # mount -o degraded /dev/test/scratch1 /mnt/btrfs
> >>  # fallocate -l 1G /mnt/btrfs/foobar
> >>  # btrfs ins dump-tree -t chunk /dev/test/scratch1
> >>         item 7 key (FIRST_CHUNK_TREE CHUNK_ITEM 1674575872) itemoff 15511 itemsize 80
> >>                 length 536870912 owner 2 stripe_len 65536 type DATA
> >>  New data chunk will fallback to SINGLE or DUP.
> >>
> >>
> >> The cause is pretty simple, when mounted degraded, missing devices can't
> >> be used for chunk allocation.
> >> Thus btrfs has to fall back to SINGLE profile.
> >>
> >> This patchset will make btrfs to consider missing devices as last resort if
> >> current rw devices can't fulfil the profile request.
> >>
> >> This should provide a good balance between considering all missing
> >> device as RW and completely ruling out missing devices (current mainline
> >> behavior).
> > 
> > Thanks. This is going to change the behaviour with a missing device, so
> > the question is if we should make this configurable first and then
> > switch the default.
> 
> Configurable then switch makes sense for most cases, but for this
> degraded chunk case, IIRC the new behavior is superior in all cases.
> 
> For 2 devices RAID1 with one missing device (the main concern), old
> behavior will create SINGLE/DUP chunk, which has no tolerance for extra
> missing devices.
> 
> The new behavior will create degraded RAID1, which still lacks tolerance
> for extra missing devices.
> 
> The difference is, for degraded chunk, if we have the device back, and
> do proper scrub, then we're completely back to proper RAID1.
> No need to do extra balance/convert, only scrub is needed.

I think you meant to say "replace" instead of "scrub" above.

> So the new behavior is kinda of a super set of old behavior, using the
> new behavior by default should not cause extra concern.

It sounds OK to me, provided that the missing device is going away
permanently, and a new device replaces it.

If the missing device comes back, we end up relying on scrub and 32-bit
CRCs to figure out which disk has correct data, and it will be wrong
1/2^32 of the time.  For nodatasum files there are no CRCs so the data
will be wrong much more often.  This patch doesn't change that, but
maybe another patch should.

> > How does this work with scrub? Eg. if there are 2 devices in RAID1, one
> > goes missing and then scrub is started. It makes no sense to try to
> > repair the missing blocks, but given the logic in the patches all the
> > data will be rewritten, right?
> 
> Scrub is unchanged at all.
> 
> Missing device will not go through scrub at all, as scrub is per-device
> based, missing device will be ruled out at very beginning of scrub.
> 
> Thanks,
> Qu
> > 
> 




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-02  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-07  6:27 [PATCH 0/3] btrfs: More intelligent degraded chunk allocator Qu Wenruo
2019-11-07  6:27 ` [PATCH 1/3] btrfs: volumes: Refactor device holes gathering into a separate function Qu Wenruo
2019-11-07  9:20   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2019-11-07  9:33     ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-07  9:45       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2019-11-07  6:27 ` [PATCH 2/3] btrfs: volumes: Add btrfs_fs_devices::missing_list to collect missing devices Qu Wenruo
2019-11-07  9:31   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2019-11-19 10:03   ` Anand Jain
2019-11-19 10:29     ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-27 19:36       ` David Sterba
2019-11-07  6:27 ` [PATCH 3/3] btrfs: volumes: Allocate degraded chunks if rw devices can't fullfil a chunk Qu Wenruo
2019-11-19 10:05   ` Anand Jain
2019-11-19 10:41     ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-27 19:23       ` David Sterba
2019-11-27 23:36         ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-28 11:24           ` David Sterba
2019-11-28 12:29             ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-28 12:30             ` Qu WenRuo
2019-11-28 12:39               ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-18 20:18 ` [PATCH 0/3] btrfs: More intelligent degraded chunk allocator David Sterba
2019-11-18 23:32   ` Qu Wenruo
2019-11-19  5:18     ` Alberto Bursi
2019-11-27 19:26       ` David Sterba
2019-12-02  3:22     ` Zygo Blaxell [this message]
2019-12-02  4:41       ` Qu Wenruo
2019-12-02 19:27         ` Zygo Blaxell

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