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From: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Removing ->dirty_folio
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:08:48 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1f8902b-72a5-40fd-a36b-89b6ea271cdd@gmx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aoyWln-Gt-yvZQkE@casper.infradead.org>



在 2026/8/25 04:38, Matthew Wilcox 写道:
> I think it's time to remove folio_mark_dirty(), ->dirty_folio() and so on.
> 
> This is not how filesystems want to be informed of folio dirtying.
> It was fine for ext2, but anything that's journalled or COW has work
> to do before the folio is made dirty, and it's hard to do that work
> under the page table spinlock (not all callers hold that lock, but the
> filesystem has to be able to handle the cases where it is.
> 
> Filesystems want the page_mkwrite() entry point to be how they find out
> about a folio being dirtied -- and that works great!  Except that we
> can writeback the folio for a number of reasons.  If it's been dirtied
> due to a shared writable mmap, that's fine; we map the folio read-only
> and any subsequent writes will re-enter the page_mkwrite path.

That's exactly my previous expectation, really hope this can become true.

> 
> The problem is GUP.  We have no way to force the GUP caller to go
> through page_mkwrite again.  So instead we make the GUP caller call
> folio_mark_dirty_lock() which many just don't, and generally we get away
> with it.  But it's a bug, and a bad interface.
> 
> There's also the problem that GUP users bypass the folio_wait_stable()
> mechanism.  If a page is written to while somebody is creating a
> checksum over that page, the checksum will be corrupted.  If we want
> to fix this, we have to bounce-buffer the page.  There's no way to
> prevent or delay a GUP user from writing to the page.  Enjoy your RAID.
> 
> My proposal is this:
> 
>   - Fileystems take note of folio_maybe_dma_pinned() during writeback.
>     If it's true, do the writeback, but retain/recreate whatever data
>     structures you need in order to write the folio again; behave as if
>     ->page_mkdirty() had been called again for each page in the folio is
>     marked as dirty.

This may make COW more complex.

For folio_maybe_dma_pinned() case, we will need to do extra space 
reservation similar to page_mkdirty() again, so that the folio can be 
written back again.

I'm not sure if we will have a good timing for re-reserving space inside 
btrfs.

Would it be possible for MM/VFS layer to trigger page_mkdirty() instead?

>   - The MM behaves similarly; we do not clear the writeback flag for
>     folio_maybe_dma_pinned().
> 
> This will have the effect of writing pinned folios back every time the
> inode is scheduled for writeback.  But since we have no idea whether
> the folio is actually dirty (because the GUP user won't tell us),
> this is the correct behaviour.
> 
> I'm probably missing some stuff here.  Let me know.
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-24 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-24 19:08 Removing ->dirty_folio Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 19:25 ` John Hubbard
2026-08-24 19:43   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 19:51     ` John Hubbard
2026-08-24 21:05       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25  7:59     ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-24 19:33 ` Rik van Riel
2026-08-25  8:21   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 21:27 ` Boris Burkov
2026-08-25 19:47   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 22:38 ` Qu Wenruo [this message]
2026-08-25 19:26   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 22:33     ` Qu Wenruo
2026-08-26  4:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-26  8:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-25  6:48 ` David Howells
2026-08-25 19:16   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25  7:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-25 19:14   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25  8:25 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-25 18:35   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 19:35 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-25 19:54   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 20:06     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-26  0:02       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-26  5:07     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-26  7:42       ` Christoph Hellwig

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