From: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Removing ->dirty_folio
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:08:48 +0930 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1f8902b-72a5-40fd-a36b-89b6ea271cdd@gmx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aoyWln-Gt-yvZQkE@casper.infradead.org>
在 2026/8/25 04:38, Matthew Wilcox 写道:
> I think it's time to remove folio_mark_dirty(), ->dirty_folio() and so on.
>
> This is not how filesystems want to be informed of folio dirtying.
> It was fine for ext2, but anything that's journalled or COW has work
> to do before the folio is made dirty, and it's hard to do that work
> under the page table spinlock (not all callers hold that lock, but the
> filesystem has to be able to handle the cases where it is.
>
> Filesystems want the page_mkwrite() entry point to be how they find out
> about a folio being dirtied -- and that works great! Except that we
> can writeback the folio for a number of reasons. If it's been dirtied
> due to a shared writable mmap, that's fine; we map the folio read-only
> and any subsequent writes will re-enter the page_mkwrite path.
That's exactly my previous expectation, really hope this can become true.
>
> The problem is GUP. We have no way to force the GUP caller to go
> through page_mkwrite again. So instead we make the GUP caller call
> folio_mark_dirty_lock() which many just don't, and generally we get away
> with it. But it's a bug, and a bad interface.
>
> There's also the problem that GUP users bypass the folio_wait_stable()
> mechanism. If a page is written to while somebody is creating a
> checksum over that page, the checksum will be corrupted. If we want
> to fix this, we have to bounce-buffer the page. There's no way to
> prevent or delay a GUP user from writing to the page. Enjoy your RAID.
>
> My proposal is this:
>
> - Fileystems take note of folio_maybe_dma_pinned() during writeback.
> If it's true, do the writeback, but retain/recreate whatever data
> structures you need in order to write the folio again; behave as if
> ->page_mkdirty() had been called again for each page in the folio is
> marked as dirty.
This may make COW more complex.
For folio_maybe_dma_pinned() case, we will need to do extra space
reservation similar to page_mkdirty() again, so that the folio can be
written back again.
I'm not sure if we will have a good timing for re-reserving space inside
btrfs.
Would it be possible for MM/VFS layer to trigger page_mkdirty() instead?
> - The MM behaves similarly; we do not clear the writeback flag for
> folio_maybe_dma_pinned().
>
> This will have the effect of writing pinned folios back every time the
> inode is scheduled for writeback. But since we have no idea whether
> the folio is actually dirty (because the GUP user won't tell us),
> this is the correct behaviour.
>
> I'm probably missing some stuff here. Let me know.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-24 22:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-24 19:08 Removing ->dirty_folio Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 19:25 ` John Hubbard
2026-08-24 19:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 19:51 ` John Hubbard
2026-08-24 21:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 7:59 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-24 19:33 ` Rik van Riel
2026-08-25 8:21 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 21:27 ` Boris Burkov
2026-08-25 19:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 22:38 ` Qu Wenruo [this message]
2026-08-25 19:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 22:33 ` Qu Wenruo
2026-08-26 4:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-26 8:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-25 6:48 ` David Howells
2026-08-25 19:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 7:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-25 19:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 8:25 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-08-25 18:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 19:35 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-25 19:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 20:06 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-26 0:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-26 5:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-26 7:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
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