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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jack@suse.cz,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ntfs3@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: enhance and rename shutdown() callback to remove_bdev()
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 03:54:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aG-b0UiIEX4G2-UC@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250708-geahndet-rohmaterial-0419fd6a76b3@brauner>

On Tue, Jul 08, 2025 at 09:55:14AM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> I think letting filesystems implement their own holder ops should be
> avoided if we can. Christoph may chime in here.

Ccing helps for that..

>
> I have no appettite for
> exporting stuff like get_bdev_super() unless absolutely necessary. We
> tried to move all that handling into the VFS to eliminate a slew of
> deadlocks we detected and fixed. I have no appetite to repeat that
> cycle.

Exactly.

> The shutdown method is implemented only by block-based filesystems and
> arguably shutdown was always a misnomer because it assumed that the
> filesystem needs to actually shut down when it is called. IOW, we made
> it so that it is a call to action but that doesn't have to be the case.
> Calling it ->remove_bdev() is imo the correct thing because it gives
> block based filesystem the ability to handle device events how they see
> fit.
> 
> Once we will have non-block based filesystems that need a method to
> always shut down the filesystem itself we might have to revisit this
> design anyway but no one had that use-case yet.

I'm not sure what non-block file systems would need it for except
maybe for a generic IOC_SHUTDOWN implementation, but that would have
a different signature anyway as it needs to pass flags that don't
fit here.  So that would be a separate method.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-10 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-04  0:42 [PATCH v4 0/6] btrfs: add remove_bdev() callback Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04  0:42 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: enhance and rename shutdown() callback to remove_bdev() Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04  9:00   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2025-07-04  9:05   ` Jan Kara
2025-07-07 23:02   ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-07 23:22     ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08  0:45       ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-08  2:09         ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08  3:06           ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08  5:05             ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-08  5:41               ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08  7:55         ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-08 22:59           ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-08 23:07             ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-09  0:35               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-09  0:55                 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-09  1:13                   ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-10  8:33             ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10 10:54           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-07-08 10:20         ` Jan Kara
2025-07-08 20:20           ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-08 22:12             ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-10  8:40             ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10  9:54               ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-11  9:34                 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10 10:52         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-04  0:42 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] btrfs: introduce a new fs state, EMERGENCY_SHUTDOWN Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04  0:42 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] btrfs: reject file operations if in shutdown state Qu Wenruo
2025-07-05 14:10   ` David Sterba
2025-07-04  0:42 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] btrfs: reject delalloc ranges " Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04  0:42 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] btrfs: implement shutdown ioctl Qu Wenruo
2025-07-05 14:22   ` David Sterba
2025-07-06  3:37     ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-07 20:51       ` David Sterba
2025-07-07 23:04         ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08  0:53           ` David Sterba
2025-07-04  0:42 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] btrfs: implement remove_bdev super operation callback Qu Wenruo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-07-09 17:23 [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: enhance and rename shutdown() callback to remove_bdev() Jan Kara
2025-07-09 17:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-10 13:10   ` Jan Kara
2025-07-10 18:41     ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-11 14:20       ` Jan Kara

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