From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ntfs3@lists.linux.dev,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: enhance and rename shutdown() callback to remove_bdev()
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 09:02:52 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aGxSHKeyldrR1Q0T@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <de25bbdb572c75df38b1002d3779bf19e3ad0ff6.1751589725.git.wqu@suse.com>
On Fri, Jul 04, 2025 at 10:12:29AM +0930, Qu Wenruo wrote:
> Currently all the filesystems implementing the
> super_opearations::shutdown() callback can not afford losing a device.
>
> Thus fs_bdev_mark_dead() will just call the shutdown() callback for the
> involved filesystem.
>
> But it will no longer be the case, with multi-device filesystems like
> btrfs and bcachefs the filesystem can handle certain device loss without
> shutting down the whole filesystem.
>
> To allow those multi-device filesystems to be integrated to use
> fs_holder_ops:
>
> - Replace super_opearation::shutdown() with
> super_opearations::remove_bdev()
> To better describe when the callback is called.
This conflates cause with action.
The shutdown callout is an action that the filesystem must execute,
whilst "remove bdev" is a cause notification that might require an
action to be take.
Yes, the cause could be someone doing hot-unplug of the block
device, but it could also be something going wrong in software
layers below the filesystem. e.g. dm-thinp having an unrecoverable
corruption or ENOSPC errors.
We already have a "cause" notification: blk_holder_ops->mark_dead().
The generic fs action that is taken by this notification is
fs_bdev_mark_dead(). That action is to invalidate caches and shut
down the filesystem.
btrfs needs to do something different to a blk_holder_ops->mark_dead
notification. i.e. it needs an action that is different to
fs_bdev_mark_dead().
Indeed, this is how bcachefs already handles "single device
died" events for multi-device filesystems - see
bch2_fs_bdev_mark_dead().
Hence Btrfs should be doing the same thing as bcachefs. The
bdev_handle_ops structure exists precisly because it allows the
filesystem to handle block device events in the exact manner they
require....
> - Add a new @bdev parameter to remove_bdev() callback
> To allow the fs to determine which device is missing, and do the
> proper handling when needed.
>
> For the existing shutdown callback users, the change is minimal.
Except for the change in API semantics. ->shutdown is an external
shutdown trigger for the filesystem, not a generic "block device
removed" notification.
Hooking blk_holder_ops->mark_dead means that btrfs can also provide
a ->shutdown implementation for when something external other than a
block device removal needs to shut down the filesystem....
-Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-07 23:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-04 0:42 [PATCH v4 0/6] btrfs: add remove_bdev() callback Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: enhance and rename shutdown() callback to remove_bdev() Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04 9:00 ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2025-07-04 9:05 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-07 23:02 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2025-07-07 23:22 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08 0:45 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-08 2:09 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08 3:06 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08 5:05 ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-08 5:41 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08 7:55 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-08 22:59 ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-08 23:07 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-09 0:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-09 0:55 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-09 1:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-10 8:33 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10 10:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-08 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-08 20:20 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-08 22:12 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-10 8:40 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10 9:54 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-11 9:34 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-10 10:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-04 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] btrfs: introduce a new fs state, EMERGENCY_SHUTDOWN Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] btrfs: reject file operations if in shutdown state Qu Wenruo
2025-07-05 14:10 ` David Sterba
2025-07-04 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] btrfs: reject delalloc ranges " Qu Wenruo
2025-07-04 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] btrfs: implement shutdown ioctl Qu Wenruo
2025-07-05 14:22 ` David Sterba
2025-07-06 3:37 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-07 20:51 ` David Sterba
2025-07-07 23:04 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-08 0:53 ` David Sterba
2025-07-04 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] btrfs: implement remove_bdev super operation callback Qu Wenruo
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-07-09 17:23 [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: enhance and rename shutdown() callback to remove_bdev() Jan Kara
2025-07-09 17:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-10 13:10 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-10 18:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-07-11 14:20 ` Jan Kara
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