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From: Qu Wenruo <wqu@suse.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
	Askar Safin <safinaskar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 2/2] fs: fully sync all fses even for an emergency sync
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2025 07:25:06 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cbf7af56-c39a-4f42-b76d-0d1b3fecba9f@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQiYZqX5aGn-FW56@infradead.org>



在 2025/11/3 22:26, Christoph Hellwig 写道:
> The emergency sync being non-blocking goes back to day 1.  I think the
> idea behind it is to not lock up a already messed up system by
> blocking forever, even if it is in workqueue.  Changing this feels
> a bit risky to me.

Considering everything is already done in task context (baked by the 
global per-cpu workqueue), it at least won't block anything else.

And I'd say if the fs is already screwed up and hanging, the 
sync_inodes_one_sb() call are more likely to hang than the final 
sync_fs() call.

> 
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 02:37:29PM +1030, Qu Wenruo wrote:
>> At this stage, btrfs is only one super block update away to be fully committed.
>> I believe it's the more or less the same for other fses too.
> 
> Most file systems do not need a superblock update to commit data.

That's the main difference, btrfs always needs a superblock update to 
switch metadata due to its metadata COW nature.

The only good news is, emergency sync is not that a hot path, we have a 
lot of time to properly fix.

>> The problem is the next step, sync_bdevs().
>> Normally other fses have their super block already updated in the page
>> cache of the block device, but btrfs only updates the super block during
>> full transaction commit.
>>
>> So sync_bdevs() may work for other fses, but not for btrfs, btrfs is
>> still using its older super block, all pointing back to the old metadata
>> and data.
>>
> 
> At least for XFS, no metadata is written through the block device
> mapping anyway.
> 

So does that mean sync_inodes_one_sb() on XFS (or even ext4?) will 
always submit needed metadata (journal?) to disk?

Thanks,
Qu

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-11-03 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-03  4:07 [PATCH RFC 0/2] fs: fully sync all fsese even for an emergency sync Qu Wenruo
2025-11-03  4:07 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] fs: do not pass a parameter for sync_inodes_one_sb() Qu Wenruo
2025-11-03 11:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-04  8:42     ` Jan Kara
2025-11-05 18:50       ` Daniel Vacek
2025-11-03  4:07 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] fs: fully sync all fses even for an emergency sync Qu Wenruo
2025-11-03 11:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-03 12:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-03 20:46       ` Qu Wenruo
2025-11-03 20:55     ` Qu Wenruo [this message]
2025-11-04  8:28       ` Jan Kara
2025-11-04  8:39         ` Jan Kara
2025-11-05 11:32           ` Christian Brauner
2025-11-04  8:43         ` Qu Wenruo
2025-11-04 12:42           ` Jan Kara
2025-11-04 15:48             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-03 16:00 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] fs: fully sync all fsese " Askar Safin
2025-11-05 11:31 ` Christian Brauner

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