Re: [Socketcan-users] Finding a transmitter's CAN ID

Re: [Socketcan-users] Finding a transmitter's CAN ID

[Marc Kleine-Budde]

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Hello Rob,

please come to the new mailinglist inux-can@vger.kernel.org

Marc

On 08/19/2013 04:43 PM, Rob__V wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am currently working on a project with several embedded platforms connect
> via CAN:
> 1 x Linux board connected via SocketCAN
> N x embedded boards using the Atmega16M1 (CAN) MCU.
> 
> The Linux board is 'treated' as the master and needs to know the CAN ID of
> each
> atmega board that sends it a CAN message. So my question is :
> 
> How is the Linux/SocketCAN board able to determine the CAN ID of other
> networked nodes when they transmit ?
> 
> Of course, each CAN node can determine the target ID for each message but
> I am not sure if the source ID is known ... outside of arbitration.
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> All the best,
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Socketcan-users] Finding a transmitter's CAN ID

[Marc Kleine-Budde]

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On 08/19/2013 04:59 PM, Marc Kleine-Budde wrote:
>> I am currently working on a project with several embedded platforms connect
>> via CAN:
>> 1 x Linux board connected via SocketCAN
>> N x embedded boards using the Atmega16M1 (CAN) MCU.
>>
>> The Linux board is 'treated' as the master and needs to know the CAN ID of
>> each
>> atmega board that sends it a CAN message. So my question is :
>>
>> How is the Linux/SocketCAN board able to determine the CAN ID of other
>> networked nodes when they transmit ?

When we're talking about RAW CAN frames, there is no such thing as CAN
id of a node, it's not an address. Neither sending nor receiving. Think
of the CAN id more as a part of the data of the CAN frame.

Depending on your higher level protocol there might be an addressing
scheme which makes use of the CAN id. Then there is probably a CAN id
(or part of) associated which each node.

Are you using some kind of (standardised) protocol on top of RAW CAN?

>> Of course, each CAN node can determine the target ID for each message but
>> I am not sure if the source ID is known ... outside of arbitration.

For arbitration purpose the CAN id of each CAN frame is used. All nodes
that receive the CAN frame receive the same CAN id, in particular the
CAN id the sending node put into the CAN frame.

Under Linux the CAN if is stored in the "can_id" member of the "struct
can_frame" (which is used for both sending and receiving CAN frames).

> struct can_frame {
>         canid_t can_id;  /* 32 bit CAN_ID + EFF/RTR/ERR flags */
>         __u8    can_dlc; /* frame payload length in byte (0 .. CAN_MAX_DLEN) */
>         __u8    data[CAN_MAX_DLEN] __attribute__((aligned(8)));
> };

Hope that helps,
Marc

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RE: [Socketcan-users] Finding a transmitter's CAN ID

[Valler, Robert]

Hello again,

Thanks all for the helpful information.
I am a little clearer on how the CAN bus works now.


All the best,
Rob



On 08/19/2013 04:43 PM, Rob__V wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am currently working on a project with several embedded platforms connect
> via CAN:
> 1 x Linux board connected via SocketCAN
> N x embedded boards using the Atmega16M1 (CAN) MCU.
>
> The Linux board is 'treated' as the master and needs to know the CAN ID of
> each
> atmega board that sends it a CAN message. So my question is :
>
> How is the Linux/SocketCAN board able to determine the CAN ID of other
> networked nodes when they transmit ?
>
> Of course, each CAN node can determine the target ID for each message but
> I am not sure if the source ID is known ... outside of arbitration.
>
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> All the best,
> Rob
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://socket-can.996257.n3.nabble.com/Finding-a-transmitter-s-CAN-ID-tp7678.html
> Sent from the Socket-CAN Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> _______________________________________________
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>