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From: "Pali Rohár" <pali@kernel.org>
To: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>
Cc: Steve French <sfrench@samba.org>,
	Paulo Alcantara <pc@manguebit.com>,
	Ronnie Sahlberg <ronniesahlberg@gmail.com>,
	CIFS <linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] cifs: Add mount option -o reparse=native
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 00:44:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241010224416.kjfdnaiymqmcq5pl@pali> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH2r5msEiD05ehJs_a05sP_rX7BkVH-9LZp8Sj6EFbpZA9bfrg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thursday 10 October 2024 17:42:55 Steve French wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, 5:39 PM Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 10 October 2024 17:21:59 Steve French wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 5:17 PM Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 1:36 PM Pali Rohár <pali@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Currently choosing how new symlinks are created is quite complicated.
> > > >>
> > > >> Without these patch series, by default new symlinks are created via
> > > >> native reparse points, even when reparse=nfs or reparse=wsl is
> > > >> specified. There is no possibility to create a NFS-style or WSL-style
> > > >> symlink yet, and this patch series address this missing functionality.
> > > >> When option -o sfu is specified then all new symlinks are created in
> > > >> SFU-style, independently of -o reparse option. And when -o mfsymlinks
> > is
> > > >> specified then all new symlinks are created in mf style, independently
> > > >> of -o reparse and -o sfu options.
> > > >>
> > > >> This patch series does not change -o sfu and -o mfsymlinks overrides,
> > it
> > > >> just changes the way how -o reparse is handled.
> > > >>
> > >
> > > I lean toward something similar, and more intuitive - do not have
> > > "reparse=" control symlink creation - but instead use another mount
> > > parm (e.g. "symlink=") for that.  It would be rarely used - only if
> > > you don't want the default (windows default format too) for server
> > > symlinks or "mfsymlinks" (for client only symlinks):
> > >
> > > 1) "symlink=" if specified can be set to one of five formats (with the
> > > default being the windows format)
> > >   a) "mfsymlinks" (Mac style which is safer for many use cases since
> > > they are "client only" symlinks which the server will never use)
> > >      Setting "symlink=mfsymlinks" will have the same effect as just
> > > specifying "mfsymlinks" so won't break anything
> > >   b) "default" (or "windows") which uses the default symlink format
> > > when trying to create a new symlink
> > >   c) "nfs"
> > >   d) "wsl"
> > >   e) "sfu"
> > > 2) "reparse=" will still control how special files are created (char,
> > > block, fifo, socket) and can be set to:
> > >    a) "nfs" (default)
> > >    b) or "wsl"
> > >    c) If "sfu" set on mount will cause special files to be created
> > > with "sfu" format instead of using reparse points to create
> > > 3) reading reparse points will always be supported (unless you want to
> > > add a new parameter "reparse=none" to treat all reparse points as
> > > empty directories)
> > > 4) reading special files via the old "sfu" will only be supported if
> > > you mount with "sfu"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> > Ok, and how to handle creating new sockets? For me it makes sense to
> > create new sockets in "native" AF_UNIX style - compatible with Windows
> > WinAPI / WinSocks. Should be there also a new parameter?
> >
> 
> Possibly, but we can decide that later. Aren't sockets typically more
> transient short lives so less likely to cause issues no matter what format
> we use??
> 
> >

Yes, they are short lives.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-10 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-06 10:00 [PATCH 0/7] cifs: Improve mount option -o reparse and support for native Windows sockets Pali Rohár
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 1/7] cifs: Add mount option -o reparse=native Pali Rohár
2024-10-07  4:28   ` Steve French
2024-10-07 18:36     ` Pali Rohár
     [not found]       ` <CAH2r5mttO-aDq94QrLQm10xJRGLg=PULqX9fcfoykAweVVO+uQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-10-10 22:21         ` Steve French
2024-10-10 22:38           ` Pali Rohár
     [not found]             ` <CAH2r5msEiD05ehJs_a05sP_rX7BkVH-9LZp8Sj6EFbpZA9bfrg@mail.gmail.com>
2024-10-10 22:44               ` Pali Rohár [this message]
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 2/7] cifs: Add mount option -o reparse=none Pali Rohár
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 3/7] cifs: Add support for creating native Windows sockets Pali Rohár
2024-10-10 21:47   ` Pali Rohár
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 4/7] cifs: Add support for creating NFS-style symlinks Pali Rohár
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 5/7] cifs: Improve guard for excluding $LXDEV xattr Pali Rohár
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 6/7] cifs: Add support for creating WSL-style symlinks Pali Rohár
2024-10-10 21:50   ` Pali Rohár
2024-10-06 10:00 ` [PATCH 7/7] cifs: Validate content of WSL reparse point buffers Pali Rohár
2024-10-07  4:23 ` [PATCH 0/7] cifs: Improve mount option -o reparse and support for native Windows sockets Steve French
2024-10-12  8:52 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] Allow to choose symlink and socket type Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:55   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] cifs: Add mount option -o symlink= for choosing symlink create type Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:55   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] cifs: Add mount option -o reparse=none Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:55   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] cifs: Add support for creating native Windows sockets Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:56   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] cifs: Add support for creating NFS-style symlinks Pali Rohár
2024-12-09 18:00     ` Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:56   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] cifs: Improve guard for excluding $LXDEV xattr Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:56   ` [PATCH v2 6/7] cifs: Add support for creating WSL-style symlinks Pali Rohár
2024-10-12  8:56   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] cifs: Validate content of WSL reparse point buffers Pali Rohár
     [not found]   ` <CAH2r5mtGqqM35Cy5k9NN=X05rTZPk-adhb7LgoV8PGNVL9P6FQ@mail.gmail.com>
2024-10-13  4:19     ` Fwd: [PATCH v2 0/7] Allow to choose symlink and socket type Steve French
2024-10-13  8:59     ` Pali Rohár
2024-10-13 13:38     ` Pali Rohár
2024-10-14  9:32       ` Pali Rohár
2024-10-28 10:13   ` Pali Rohár

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