Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[Suresh Jayaraman]

(Cc linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org)

On 10/22/2010 05:05 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:

> I have a very strange behaviour with windows networking.
> I have an HTPC, which I access from my Linux desktop. It runs Windows 7.
> Network is GigaBit, routed by a Linksys WRT320N running latest DD-WRT.
> I setup an automount path under /net/htpc with CIFS filesystem.
> I can also access the drives in HTPC via gvfs from Gnome DE.
> 
> Problem: speed is _VERY_ different.
> R/W through the automount point (CIFS fs), is roughly 7-8 MB/s (ridiculous
> for gigabit speeds).
> R/W through Gnome/gvfs (kind of fuse) goes around 35 - 40 MB/s (400 Mbits/s),
> that look much better.

What is the kernel version In which you are seeing the problem? I'm not
seeing this on 2.6.36-rc4. Do you have a wired interface as well? Are
you sure that both are using the same network path?

> I have tried with different rsize/wsize in mount, but speed is the same
> (perhaps I did not get the right values...).

Does the changes reflect in /proc/mounts?


-- 
Suresh Jayaraman

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[Steve French]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> (Cc linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org)
>
> On 10/22/2010 05:05 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
> > Problem: speed is _VERY_ different.
> > R/W through the automount point (CIFS fs), is roughly 7-8 MB/s (ridiculous
> > for gigabit speeds).
> > R/W through Gnome/gvfs (kind of fuse) goes around 35 - 40 MB/s (400 Mbits/s),
> > that look much better.
>
> What is the kernel version In which you are seeing the problem? I'm not
> seeing this on 2.6.36-rc4. Do you have a wired interface as well? Are
> you sure that both are using the same network path?
>
> > I have tried with different rsize/wsize in mount, but speed is the same
> > (perhaps I did not get the right values...).
>

Read sizes for cifs are relatively small at 16K (unless you change the
maximum buffer sizes at insmod time), and cifs write size is 56K.
This relatively smaller read size and the serializing of relatively
small reads in cifs_readpages can cause slower speeds than you might
expect reading files over gigabit if only one process is using the
network especially if long network latency (lots of dead time on the
network leading to low network utilizations).   cifs will perform
relatively well compared to other options as the number of processes
accessing the network increases, because a lot of work has gone into
locking.  dbench results will often show 50 simultaneous requests to
each Samba server (50 is the traditional maximum number of
simultaneous requests that smb/cifs servers support).   For workloads
other than sequential read workloads - cifs does relatively better as
well.

In the future with smb2 the maximum number of requests can vary, and
the maximum read size is larger which helps, as does the parallelized
smb2 write code which Pavel wrote over the summer for Google Summer of
Code.

--
Thanks,

Steve

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[J.A. Magallón]

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:14:46 +0530, Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de> wrote:

> (Cc linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org)
> 
> On 10/22/2010 05:05 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
> 
> > I have a very strange behaviour with windows networking.
> > I have an HTPC, which I access from my Linux desktop. It runs Windows 7.
> > Network is GigaBit, routed by a Linksys WRT320N running latest DD-WRT.
> > I setup an automount path under /net/htpc with CIFS filesystem.
> > I can also access the drives in HTPC via gvfs from Gnome DE.
> > 
> > Problem: speed is _VERY_ different.
> > R/W through the automount point (CIFS fs), is roughly 7-8 MB/s (ridiculous
> > for gigabit speeds).
> > R/W through Gnome/gvfs (kind of fuse) goes around 35 - 40 MB/s (400 Mbits/s),
> > that look much better.
> 
> What is the kernel version In which you are seeing the problem? I'm not

Its just new 2.6.36 final, mandriva distro kernel.

> seeing this on 2.6.36-rc4. Do you have a wired interface as well? Are

Yes, boxes are all wired to the 320N router, at gigabit speeds.
Just to double check, I also probed with my netbook with 100Mb ehternet.
The effect is less obvious, but writing to the Win7 box through the
cifs automount path goes at 3.5-4.0 Mb/s, and with gvfs it reaches
7.5 Mb/s.

> you sure that both are using the same network path?
> 

If you mean hardware network path (cabling, router), yes.
For file paths, CIFS fs is under /net/htpc/media, and gvfs uses a mount
point on '~/.gvfs/media on htpc'.

And here comes the weird part. To rule out the desktop environment factor,
I tried a dd in both paths. On /net, I get 16.6 MB/s, and on
~/.gvfs/xxx, I just get 5.5 MB/s. I really don't understand anything...
things get reversed depending if you use a gui or commandline.

Weird, really weird...

-- 
J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com>     \               Software is like sex:
                                         \         It's better when it's free

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[J.A. Magallón]

On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:46:36 +0200, "J.A. Magallón" <jamagallon@ono.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:14:46 +0530, Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > (Cc linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org)
> > 
> > On 10/22/2010 05:05 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
> > 
> > > I have a very strange behaviour with windows networking.
> > > I have an HTPC, which I access from my Linux desktop. It runs Windows 7.
> > > Network is GigaBit, routed by a Linksys WRT320N running latest DD-WRT.
> > > I setup an automount path under /net/htpc with CIFS filesystem.
> > > I can also access the drives in HTPC via gvfs from Gnome DE.
> > > 
> > > Problem: speed is _VERY_ different.
> > > R/W through the automount point (CIFS fs), is roughly 7-8 MB/s (ridiculous
> > > for gigabit speeds).
> > > R/W through Gnome/gvfs (kind of fuse) goes around 35 - 40 MB/s (400 Mbits/s),
> > > that look much better.
> > 
> > What is the kernel version In which you are seeing the problem? I'm not
> 
> Its just new 2.6.36 final, mandriva distro kernel.
> 
> > seeing this on 2.6.36-rc4. Do you have a wired interface as well? Are
> 
> Yes, boxes are all wired to the 320N router, at gigabit speeds.
> Just to double check, I also probed with my netbook with 100Mb ehternet.
> The effect is less obvious, but writing to the Win7 box through the
> cifs automount path goes at 3.5-4.0 Mb/s, and with gvfs it reaches
> 7.5 Mb/s.
> 
> > you sure that both are using the same network path?
> > 
> 
> If you mean hardware network path (cabling, router), yes.
> For file paths, CIFS fs is under /net/htpc/media, and gvfs uses a mount
> point on '~/.gvfs/media on htpc'.
> 
> And here comes the weird part. To rule out the desktop environment factor,
> I tried a dd in both paths. On /net, I get 16.6 MB/s, and on
> ~/.gvfs/xxx, I just get 5.5 MB/s. I really don't understand anything...
> things get reversed depending if you use a gui or commandline.
> 
> Weird, really weird...
> 

Well, to sort things out, I did some more tests (this does not mean things
get any closer to be clear for me at least...).

Network card state in linux side:

werewolf:/etc/autofs# ethtool eth0
Settings for eth0:
    Supported ports: [ TP ]
    Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
                            100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
                            1000baseT/Full
    Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
    Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
                            100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
                            1000baseT/Full
    Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
    Speed: 1000Mb/s
    Duplex: Full
    Port: Twisted Pair
    PHYAD: 0
    Transceiver: internal
    Auto-negotiation: on
    Supports Wake-on: pg
    Wake-on: d
    Current message level: 0x00000000 (0)
    Link detected: yes
    
Raw iperf behaviour:

lnx -> win: [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec    988 MBytes    828 Mbits/sec
win -> lnx: [  4]  0.0-10.0 sec    333 MBytes    279 Mbits/sec

Don't know why the difference, but anyways worst speed is 280 Mb/s.

auto.master:
	/net/htpc   file:/etc/autofs/auto.htpc
auto.htpc:
	media -fstype=cifs,credentials=/etc/autofs/credentials/htpc,iocharset=utf8,uid=3001,gid=3000 ://htpc/media

Times for gnome-ui-copy are approximate, speed is what the copy window says.

Case A: automount via cifs.
/proc/mounts:
	/etc/autofs/auto.htpc /net/htpc autofs rw,relatime,fd=6,pgrp=14361,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,indirect 0 0
	//htpc/media/ /net/htpc/media cifs rw,relatime,unc=\\htpc\media,username=media,uid=0,noforceuid,gid=0,noforcegid,addr=192.168.1.20,file_mode=0755,dir_mode=0755,serverino,rsize=130048,wsize=57344 0 0

- dd if=~/file of=file.dd bs=1M
  292538368 bytes (293 MB) copied, 8.44771 s, 34.6 MB/s
- time cp ~/file file.cp: real    0m7.429s
- gnome UI copy: 39s, 7.8 MB/s

Case B: network mount via nautilus.
/proc/mounts:
	/etc/autofs/auto.htpc /net/htpc autofs rw,relatime,fd=6,pgrp=14361,timeout=300,minproto=5,maxproto=5,indirect 0 0
	gvfs-fuse-daemon /home/magallon/.gvfs fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=3001,group_id=3000 0 0

- dd if=~/file of=file.dd bs=1M
  292538368 bytes (293 MB) copied, 50.4364 s, 5.8 MB/s
- time cp ~/file file.cp: real    0m50.151s
- gnome UI copy: 8s, 33.2 MB/s

And the best of all:

werewolf:~> time smbclient -U media%XXXXX //htpc/media -c 'put file'
Domain=[HOME] OS=[Windows 7 Enterprise 7600] Server=[Windows 7 Enterprise 6.1]
putting file file as \file (66345.1 kb/s) (average 66345.1 kb/s)

real    0m4.318s
user    0m0.466s
sys 0m0.553s

Can anybody tell me whats going here...??
It looks just like gui tools behave just in reverse of cli, and that a plain
smbclient is faster that cifs. I'm really confused...

-- 
J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com>     \               Software is like sex:
                                         \         It's better when it's free

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[Suresh Jayaraman]

On 10/24/2010 05:00 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:46:36 +0200, "J.A. Magall�n" <jamagallon-sh/6fXdz2Rs@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>> If you mean hardware network path (cabling, router), yes.
>> For file paths, CIFS fs is under /net/htpc/media, and gvfs uses a mount
>> point on '~/.gvfs/media on htpc'.
>>
>> And here comes the weird part. To rule out the desktop environment factor,
>> I tried a dd in both paths. On /net, I get 16.6 MB/s, and on
>> ~/.gvfs/xxx, I just get 5.5 MB/s. I really don't understand anything...
>> things get reversed depending if you use a gui or commandline.
>>
>> Weird, really weird...
>>
> 
> Well, to sort things out, I did some more tests (this does not mean things
> get any closer to be clear for me at least...).
> 
> Can anybody tell me whats going here...??
> It looks just like gui tools behave just in reverse of cli, and that a plain
> smbclient is faster that cifs. I'm really confused...
> 

Could you try mounting from commandline with something like
  `mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=user1`
(commenting out the fstab entry) and try copying the file?


-- 
Suresh Jayaraman

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[J.A. Magallón]

On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:44:44 +0530, Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de> wrote:

> On 10/24/2010 05:00 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:46:36 +0200, "J.A. Magall�n" <jamagallon-sh/6fXdz2Rs@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> If you mean hardware network path (cabling, router), yes.
> >> For file paths, CIFS fs is under /net/htpc/media, and gvfs uses a mount
> >> point on '~/.gvfs/media on htpc'.
> >>
> >> And here comes the weird part. To rule out the desktop environment factor,
> >> I tried a dd in both paths. On /net, I get 16.6 MB/s, and on
> >> ~/.gvfs/xxx, I just get 5.5 MB/s. I really don't understand anything...
> >> things get reversed depending if you use a gui or commandline.
> >>update
> >> Weird, really weird...
> >>
> > 
> > Well, to sort things out, I did some more tests (this does not mean things
> > get any closer to be clear for me at least...).
> > 
> > Can anybody tell me whats going here...??
> > It looks just like gui tools behave just in reverse of cli, and that a plain
> > smbclient is faster that cifs. I'm really confused...
> > 
> 
> Could you try mounting from commandline with something like
>   `mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=user1`
> (commenting out the fstab entry) and try copying the file?
> 
> 

Same results, cli copy takes about 7.5 seconds (thats around 40MB/s), and
gui copy says it runs at 7.8 MB/s.
This could be the normal behaviour I could expect, gui is slower as it has to
update progress bars, move flying sheets, or even does a sync from time to
time.

The misbehaviour I see is the other way aroung, FUSE/GVFS is fast from GUI
and slow from CLI. And, the best, why are there any difference ???

-- 
J.A. Magallon <jamagallon()ono!com>     \               Software is like sex:
                                         \         It's better when it's free

Re: CIFS is slooow, gvfs is fast

[Steve French]

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:33 PM, J.A. Magallón <jamagallon-sh/6fXdz2Rs@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:44:44 +0530, Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.de> wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2010 05:00 AM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
>> > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 00:46:36 +0200, "J.A. Magall�n" <jamagallon-sh/6fXdz2Rs@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> If you mean hardware network path (cabling, router), yes.
>> >> For file paths, CIFS fs is under /net/htpc/media, and gvfs uses a mount
>> >> point on '~/.gvfs/media on htpc'.
>> >>
>> >> And here comes the weird part. To rule out the desktop environment factor,
>> >> I tried a dd in both paths. On /net, I get 16.6 MB/s, and on
>> >> ~/.gvfs/xxx, I just get 5.5 MB/s. I really don't understand anything...
>> >> things get reversed depending if you use a gui or commandline.
>> >>update
>> >> Weird, really weird...
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well, to sort things out, I did some more tests (this does not mean things
>> > get any closer to be clear for me at least...).
>> >
>> > Can anybody tell me whats going here...??
>> > It looks just like gui tools behave just in reverse of cli, and that a plain
>> > smbclient is faster that cifs. I'm really confused...
>> >
>>
>> Could you try mounting from commandline with something like
>>   `mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point -o user=user1`
>> (commenting out the fstab entry) and try copying the file?
>>
>>
>
> Same results, cli copy takes about 7.5 seconds (thats around 40MB/s), and
> gui copy says it runs at 7.8 MB/s.
> This could be the normal behaviour I could expect, gui is slower as it has to
> update progress bars, move flying sheets, or even does a sync from time to
> time.
>
> The misbehaviour I see is the other way aroung, FUSE/GVFS is fast from GUI
> and slow from CLI. And, the best, why are there any difference ???

The obvious thing to check is actual cifs write sizes on the network
(with wireshark e.g.)
and how much parallelism.   We know cifs kernel client will send 56K
writes, but only one at
a time for any particular file.  (thanks to Pavel the smb2 kernel
client will send more
in parallel and get about two to three times better performance).   cifs kernel
client can send less than 56K if the dirty pages are scattered of course
(writepages won't be called with contiguous dirty pages) and cifs client can
send more than 56K when mounting with "directio" cifs mount option
but only if the application tries to write more than 56K for each user space
write operation (mounting with directio might be a nice comparison point).


-- 
Thanks,

Steve