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From: "Christopher R. Hertel" <crh-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
To: simo <idra-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Steve French <smfrench-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Volker.Lendecke-3ekOc4rQMZmzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org,
	cifs-protocol-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	samba-technical-w/Ol4Ecudpl8XjKLYN78aQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [cifs-protocol] cifs client timeouts and hard/soft mounts
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:06:42 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CFD1822.70703@samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1291654155.3167.6.camel-akOVU7JyYd8WIfilqQrPtNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>

simo wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:28 -0600, Steve French wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Volker Lendecke
>> <Volker.Lendecke-3ekOc4rQMZmzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 08:16:46PM -0600, Steve French wrote:
>>>> I am more worried about firewall rule changes and similar events
>>>> than about broken servers - but the idea of waiting forever on stat
>>>> to a server that is never going to respond seems odd.
>>> That would be a strange fw rule that allows SMBEcho but not
>>> other SMB requests. I think if someone puts up such a silly
>>> rule, some pain is deserved :-)
>> Aaah - remember the proxies that cut out "chatty" smb traffic by
>> responding on behalf of remote servers in the interest of optimizing
>> traffic over slow links :)
> 
> They better send their own smb echos to remote servers then ...

The client-end proxy node is only interested in whether or not its peer node
is up and running.  The peer node, at the server end of the link, should be
responsible for knowing when the actual server is down.

...but this goes back to my question.  How much responsibility does the
Linux CIFS client have to ensure that the connection and server are both
working properly, and how much responsibility falls to the WAN accelerator?

I think it makes sense to do a little to mitigate WAN accelerator problems,
but the CIFS client needs to be as generic as possible so that it works well
in all environments.

Chris -)-----

-- 
"Implementing CIFS - the Common Internet FileSystem" ISBN: 013047116X
Samba Team -- http://www.samba.org/     -)-----   Christopher R. Hertel
jCIFS Team -- http://jcifs.samba.org/   -)-----   ubiqx development, uninq.
ubiqx Team -- http://www.ubiqx.org/     -)-----   crh-jFlgvBokg3lg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org
OnLineBook -- http://ubiqx.org/cifs/    -)-----   crh-zuGDro9SezXYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-12-06 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-04  2:28 cifs client timeouts and hard/soft mounts Jeff Layton
     [not found] ` <20101203212811.17594274-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04  3:54   ` [cifs-protocol] " Christopher R. Hertel
2010-12-04  8:13     ` Volker Lendecke
     [not found]       ` <E1POnFL-00BKg9-JW-dqLtpHMqGvUyWpdLl23E4A@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 11:44         ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-04 12:25           ` Shirish Pargaonkar
2010-12-04 13:09             ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]               ` <20101204080942.42be63da-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 14:06                 ` Shirish Pargaonkar
     [not found]                   ` <AANLkTim45G=pLwznde8S_b=FGCnYyO29Tnokghs0qZ-y-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 14:22                     ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-04 14:46                       ` Shirish Pargaonkar
     [not found]                         ` <AANLkTimN0F5KyM7r1+k3Y3Ki+kwQukAr4uXzRJuMVZtX-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 16:55                           ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]             ` <AANLkTinsm=b5Pezzo4m6Jbmq96EcYas4Hsw0nhxfb4m6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 20:17               ` Christopher R. Hertel
2010-12-04 12:30           ` Shirish Pargaonkar
     [not found]           ` <20101204064452.46ac24c7-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 12:34             ` Shirish Pargaonkar
2010-12-04 20:04             ` Christopher R. Hertel
2010-12-04 19:46       ` Christopher R. Hertel
     [not found]     ` <4CF9BB65.2010307-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-04 11:28       ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-04 19:49         ` Christopher R. Hertel
2010-12-04  8:12 ` Volker Lendecke
2010-12-06  1:42   ` Steve French
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTi=MCgZb=we2OEtxJ4DZ==sVmRLd8aQKeMU7vvKt-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06  2:06       ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-06  2:16         ` Steve French
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTik4Vh5hqWwVngjCC7v1ST1YxAP9LvQbcqKDhWHp-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06  2:30             ` Jeff Layton
2010-12-06  4:34             ` Volker Lendecke
     [not found]               ` <E1PPSnw-00DDbs-Va-dqLtpHMqGvUyWpdLl23E4A@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 16:28                 ` Steve French
2010-12-06 16:49                   ` [cifs-protocol] " simo
     [not found]                     ` <1291654155.3167.6.camel-akOVU7JyYd8WIfilqQrPtNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 17:06                       ` Christopher R. Hertel [this message]
2010-12-06 17:17                         ` Steve French
2010-12-06 17:01                   ` Christopher R. Hertel
     [not found]                     ` <4CFD16D8.4090207-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 17:42                       ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                         ` <20101206124255.7ea8a8a9-9yPaYZwiELC+kQycOl6kW4xkIHaj4LzF@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 18:49                           ` Jeremy Allison
2010-12-06 18:54                           ` Christopher R. Hertel
     [not found]                             ` <4CFD3166.4000800-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 20:17                               ` Volker Lendecke
2010-12-06 20:38                                 ` Christopher R. Hertel
     [not found]                                   ` <4CFD49CD.5010002-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 20:42                                     ` Volker Lendecke
2010-12-06 20:44                                     ` Steve French
     [not found]                                       ` <AANLkTim1-m=d-A6yp4bWpYrEeqN_t49aHnAGPQEjrob_-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 20:52                                         ` Christopher R. Hertel
     [not found]                                           ` <4CFD4D15.60103-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-06 22:45                                             ` [cifs-protocol] " Christopher R. Hertel
2010-12-07 20:34                                 ` Matt Ficken (Insight Global)
     [not found]                                   ` <673E6032983AF84185CE49D109B4F40A526665-Jfd81uAzPQsTaQvdokkCPVir+X/St4rqwBk/1ggFUS45P9zcU8sUGwC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-07 20:53                                     ` Christopher R. Hertel
2010-12-06  2:46   ` Andrew Bartlett
2010-12-06  4:35     ` Volker Lendecke

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