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From: Chuan Liu <chuan.liu@amlogic.com>
To: Jerome Brunet <jbrunet@baylibre.com>,
	Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com>
Cc: Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@baylibre.com>,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-amlogic@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] clk: meson: Fix glitch free mux related issues
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:31:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36cd6282-ae1d-43f3-8738-592f043d0ba6@amlogic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1jfrc563wa.fsf@starbuckisacylon.baylibre.com>


On 9/29/2025 4:48 PM, Jerome Brunet wrote:
> [ EXTERNAL EMAIL ]
>
> On Sun 28 Sep 2025 at 22:55, Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 8:41 AM Chuan Liu <chuan.liu@amlogic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2025 2:05 PM, Chuan Liu wrote:
>>>> Hi Jerome & Martin:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the imprecise description of the glitch-free mux earlier.
>>>>
>>>> Recently, while troubleshooting a CPU hang issue caused by glitches,
>>>> I realized there was a discrepancy from our previous understanding,
>>>> so I'd like to clarify it here.
>> [...]
>>> An example of the clock waveform is shown below:
>>>
>>>
>                       1                  2
>                       v                  v
>>>          __    __    __    __    __    __    __    __
>>> ori:  ↑  |__↑  |__↑  |__↑  |__↑  |__↑  |__↑  |__↑  |__↑
>>>                     ^
>>>                     1 * cycle original channel.
>>>          _   _   _   _   _   _   _   _   _   _   _   _
>>> new:  ↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑
>>>                                         ^
>>>                                         5 * cycles new channel.
>>>          __    __                        _   _   _   _
>>> out:  ↑  |__↑  |______________________↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑ |_↑
>>>                ^                        ^
>>>                start switching mux.     switch to new channel.
> Ok ... but when is it safe to disable the "ori" clock ?
> Can you do it at '1' already ? or do you have to wait for '2' ?


It should wait for "2", because there is a state machine in the
glitch-free mux, this state machine is driven by the working clock
provided by its channel 0.


>
>> Thank you for the detailed report!
>> This is indeed problematic behavior. I guess the result is somewhat
>> random: depending on load (power draw), silicon lottery (quality),
>> temperature, voltage supply, ... - one may or may not see crashes
>> caused by this.
>>
>> Based on the previous discussion on this topic, my suggestion is to
>> split the original patch:
>> - one to add CLK_SET_RATE_GATE where needed (I think the meson8b.c
>> driver already has this where needed) to actually enable the
>> glitch-free mux behavior
>> - another one with the CLK_OPS_PARENT_ENABLE change (meson8b.c would
>> also need to be updated) to prevent the glitch-free mux from
>> temporarily outputting an electrical low signal. Jerome also asked to
>> document the behavior so we don't forget why we set this flag
> Yes please split the changes and visit all the controllers shipping this
> type of muxes.
>
>> Both patches should get the proper "Fixes" tags.
> ... and proper fixes tag maybe different depending on the controller so
> there might more that just 2 changes.
>
>> I think it would also be great if you could include the waveform
>> example in at least the commit message as it helps understand the
>> problem.
>>
>> Let's also give Jerome some time to comment before you send patches.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Martin
> --
> Jerome

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-29  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-29  6:10 [PATCH 0/2] clk: Fix issues related to CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED failures and amlogic glitch free mux Chuan Liu via B4 Relay
2024-09-29  6:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] clk: Fix the CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED failure issue Chuan Liu via B4 Relay
2024-09-30 12:27   ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-08 13:02     ` Chuan Liu
2024-09-29  6:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] clk: meson: Fix glitch free mux related issues Chuan Liu via B4 Relay
2024-09-30 12:36   ` Jerome Brunet
2024-09-30 20:08   ` Martin Blumenstingl
2024-10-08  5:44     ` Chuan Liu
2024-10-08  6:02       ` Jerome Brunet
2025-09-28  6:05         ` Chuan Liu
2025-09-28  6:40           ` Chuan Liu
2025-09-28 20:55             ` Martin Blumenstingl
2025-09-29  3:15               ` Chuan Liu
2025-09-29 12:36                 ` Jerome Brunet
2025-09-30  2:07                   ` Chuan Liu
2025-09-29  8:48               ` Jerome Brunet
2025-09-29  9:31                 ` Chuan Liu [this message]
2025-09-29 12:55                   ` Jerome Brunet
2025-09-30  2:04                     ` Chuan Liu
2024-09-30 12:33 ` [PATCH 0/2] clk: Fix issues related to CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED failures and amlogic glitch free mux Jerome Brunet
2024-10-04 13:39   ` [RFC PATCH] clk: core: refine disable unused clocks Jerome Brunet
2024-11-08  7:59     ` Chuan Liu
2024-11-08  8:38       ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-08  9:23         ` Chuan Liu
2024-11-08  9:59           ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-08 11:49             ` Chuan Liu
2024-11-12  8:36               ` Jerome Brunet
2024-11-12 10:05                 ` Chuan Liu

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