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From: "Maíra Canal" <mcanal@igalia.com>
To: Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>
Cc: Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Saenz Julienne <nsaenz@kernel.org>,
	Florian Fainelli <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>,
	Stefan Wahren <wahrenst@gmx.net>, Melissa Wen <mwen@igalia.com>,
	Iago Toral Quiroga <itoral@igalia.com>,
	Dom Cobley <popcornmix@gmail.com>,
	Dave Stevenson <dave.stevenson@raspberrypi.com>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org, linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Broadcom internal kernel review list
	<bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com>,
	kernel-dev@igalia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] clk: bcm: rpi: Turn firmware clock on/off when preparing/unpreparing
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 21:33:50 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <38d12f53-8c8a-4713-b1f9-0e8ffdf71f98@igalia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b8c0f9be-a57e-49b3-8113-cbb9307facd9@igalia.com>

On 29/07/25 13:19, Maíra Canal wrote:
> Hi Maxime,
> 
> On 29/07/25 09:14, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2025 at 08:53:51AM -0300, Maíra Canal wrote:
>>> Hi Maxime,
>>>
>>> On 29/07/25 04:27, Maxime Ripard wrote:
>>>> Hi Maíra,
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 09:35:38AM -0300, Maíra Canal wrote:
>>>>> Currently, when we prepare or unprepare RPi's clocks, we don't 
>>>>> actually
>>>>> enable/disable the firmware clock. This means that
>>>>> `clk_disable_unprepare()` doesn't actually change the clock state at
>>>>> all, nor does it lowers the clock rate.
>>>>>
>>>>>   From the Mailbox Property Interface documentation [1], we can see 
>>>>> that
>>>>> we should use `RPI_FIRMWARE_SET_CLOCK_STATE` to set the clock state
>>>>> off/on. Therefore, use `RPI_FIRMWARE_SET_CLOCK_STATE` to create a
>>>>> prepare and an unprepare hook for RPi's firmware clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> As now the clocks are actually turned off, some of them are now marked
>>>>> with CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED or CLK_IS_CRITICAL, as those are required since
>>>>> early boot or are required during reboot.
>>>>
>>>> What difference is there between the CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED and
>>>> CLK_IS_CRITICAL clocks?
>>>
>>>  From my understanding, CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED will prevent the clock to be
>>> gated during boot (on "clk: Disabling unused clocks"), but after it, the
>>> clock can be gated.
>>>
>>> With CLK_IS_CRITICAL, the clock will never be disabled.
>>
>> Yeah, that's correct.
>>
>>> For example, RPI_FIRMWARE_M2MC_CLK_ID is used by vc4. It needs to be
>>> enabled at boot (I tested; if not enabled, it won't boot). However,
>>> after vc4 is probed, we would like vc4 to have control of it and be able
>>> to unprepare it in `vc4_hdmi_runtime_suspend()`. If I set it as
>>> CLK_IS_CRITICAL, vc4 won't be able to unprepare it.
>>
>> If the clock can be disabled by Linux, but it breaks some drivers if
>> it's not enabled during their probe, something is fishy somewhere, and
>> it's likely it would be just as broken if you compiled the driver as a
>> module.
>>
>> Even then, some of the other clocks should probably never be disabled,
>> like the CPU clock.
> 
> I'll mark RPI_FIRMWARE_ARM_CLK_ID and RPI_FIRMWARE_CORE_CLK_ID as
> critical. Are there any other clocks you think should never be disabled?
> 
>>
>>> I only set RPI_FIRMWARE_PIXEL_BVB_CLK_ID as critical, as, otherwise, the
>>> RPi won't reboot.
>>
>> Why?
> 
> I'll have to dig a bit into vc4 HDMI code and to investigate the reason
> (and maybe fix the issue there).

After some investigation, I believe that those display-related should be
set to CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED. It's not that it breaks some drivers if not
enabled, but it breaks hardware functionality and the device won't boot.
See, for example, clk-bcm2835 in which all PLL and PLL dividers clocks
are marked with CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED and some with CLK_IS_CRITICAL.

Maybe Dave has some input about the topic?

So far, I'm planing to keep CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED to the display-related
clocks and remove CLK_IS_CRITICAL from RPI_FIRMWARE_PIXEL_BVB_CLK_ID. If
you have any objections about it, let me know.

Best Regards,
- Maíra

> 
> Best Regards,
> - Maíra
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-30  0:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-28 12:35 [PATCH 0/3] Power Management for Raspberry Pi V3D GPU Maíra Canal
2025-07-28 12:35 ` [PATCH 1/3] clk: bcm: rpi: Turn firmware clock on/off when preparing/unpreparing Maíra Canal
2025-07-28 16:33   ` Stefan Wahren
2025-07-28 20:15     ` Maíra Canal
2025-07-29  7:27   ` Maxime Ripard
2025-07-29 11:53     ` Maíra Canal
2025-07-29 12:14       ` Maxime Ripard
2025-07-29 16:19         ` Maíra Canal
2025-07-30  0:33           ` Maíra Canal [this message]
2025-07-30 15:13             ` Maxime Ripard
2025-07-28 12:35 ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/v3d: Allocate all resources before enabling the clock Maíra Canal
2025-07-28 14:31   ` Philipp Zabel
2025-07-28 12:35 ` [PATCH 3/3] drm/v3d: Introduce Runtime Power Management Maíra Canal
2025-07-28 21:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] Power Management for Raspberry Pi V3D GPU Stefan Wahren
2025-07-29  0:30   ` Maíra Canal

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