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From: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>
To: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, djbw@kernel.org, kas@kernel.org,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, yilun.xu@intel.com,
	sohil.mehta@intel.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com,
	kishen.maloor@intel.com, tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com,
	peter.fang@intel.com, baolu.lu@linux.intel.com,
	zhenzhong.duan@intel.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, seanjc@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/17] x86/virt/tdx: Detect if the extensions initialization is required
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2026 20:38:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amdRWaoKa0k324JM@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfeee0fe-c61d-447c-86bc-8d8244090879@intel.com>

On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 04:42:33PM +0800, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> On 6/18/2026 4:13 PM, Xu Yilun wrote:
> > TDX module extensions support extension SEAMCALLs that are preemptible
> > and resumable, unlike normal SEAMCALLs that run to completion while
> > monopolizing the CPU.
> 
> This is not true. There are some normal (non-extension) SEAMCALLs also are
> preemptible and resumable. For example,
> 
> - TDH.PHYMEM.CACHE.WB
> - TDH.SYS.DISABLE
> - TDH.MEM.SEPT.ADD with version 1

No they are not preemptible and resumable. They just intentionally
yield and don't have a generic way to save/resume their context. You
can't rely on that to implement complex tasks in TDX module considering
the complexity. That's the main reason why TDX module extensions are
needed.

> 
> (There might be more. I didn't check all.)
> 
> > This allows for higher-level API constructions,
> > so better supports some add-on features that implement higher order
> > security protocols.
> 
> I think we don't need to explain this? Just that some add-on features
> require the functionalities of TDX module extensions is enough?

mm.. a big part of the series is to bring up the TDX module extensions,
and this is the first patch to start implementing TDX module extensions,
a comment [1] said we could explain the context a little bit in general.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/1783e7bd-3759-41f7-93e3-2f9e21264bd4@intel.com/

[...]

> > +static __init int init_tdx_module_extensions(void)
> > +{
> > +	struct tdx_sys_info_ext sysinfo_ext;
> > +	int ret;
> > +
> > +	if (!(tdx_sysinfo.features.tdx_features0 & TDX_FEATURES0_EXT))
> > +		return 0;
> > +
> > +	ret = get_tdx_sys_info_ext(&sysinfo_ext);
> > +	if (ret)
> > +		return ret;
> > +
> > +	/* Skip if no feature requires TDX module extensions. */
> > +	if (!sysinfo_ext.ext_required)
> > +		return 0;
> 
> There was the discussion around it in [1]. I agree with the point to make
> kernel code simple. But it requires change/clarification from TDX spec,

I got the answer from TDX module team, that there is no use case ext
memory is needed/the Extensions are enabled but TDH.EXT.INIT is not
required. IOW ext_required == false exactly means TDX module extensions
are not required and no extension SEAMCALLs should be invoked.

> right? So will TDX spec change?

No I didn't raise this nits to distract their main focus on blocking
changes. But yes I can raise a ticket for this.

> 
> If so, you would need to mention it somewhere.
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/9c00b87b7b69470ad1e7b1d2788414002b9a1c77.camel@intel.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-27 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-18  8:13 [PATCH v2 00/17] Enable DICE-based TDX Quoting Extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Embed version info in SEAMCALL leaf function definitions Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 14:45   ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-22 12:05     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] x86/virt/tdx: Configure add-on features on TDX module init and update Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 15:04   ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-22 13:15     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-24 12:00     ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-24 22:10       ` Peter Fang
2026-06-25  6:33         ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-23  8:43   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-25 10:50     ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-24  8:15   ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-07-27 10:48     ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-27 17:50   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] x86/virt/tdx: Detect if the extensions initialization is required Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  5:19   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-25 10:57     ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-27 17:51     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-29  6:33   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 11:10     ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-24  8:44       ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-07-27 12:43         ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-24  8:42   ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-07-27 12:38     ` Xu Yilun [this message]
2026-07-27 17:56       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add extra memory to TDX module for the extensions Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  7:56   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 10:27     ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-27 18:16   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] x86/virt/tdx: Make TDX module initialize " Xu Yilun
2026-07-27 18:30   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] x86/virt/tdx: Re-initialize the extensions on runtime TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  8:12   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 11:14     ` Xu Yilun
2026-07-27 18:37     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-27 18:36   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize Quoting extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-29  8:33   ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30  5:20     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare Quote buffer during extension bringup Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:08   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30  4:12     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-01 19:56   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-08  9:25     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08  7:52   ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-07-13 10:19     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add interface to check Quoting availability Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:09   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] x86/virt/tdx: Move tdx_tdr_pa() up in the file Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:10   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add interface to generate a Quote Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:05   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30  4:22     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] x86/virt/tdx: Reinitialize the Quoting extension after TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-07-27 18:33   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Quoting extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:13   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] x86/tdx: Move and rename Quote request structure Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] KVM: TDX: Factor out userspace return path from tdx_get_quote() Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:16   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] KVM: TDX: Add in-kernel Quote generation Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 18:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-29 10:03     ` Peter Fang
2026-06-30  0:42       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-30 23:33         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-01  0:24           ` Dan Williams (nvidia)
2026-07-01 17:25             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-01 18:45               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-04  5:43                 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-06 17:57                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 20:47                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-08 21:16                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 22:09                       ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08 22:28                         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 23:38                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-10  9:01                   ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-07-10  9:38                     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08 21:37   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-10 12:52     ` Peter Fang
2026-07-10 14:48       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-10 22:59         ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18  8:13 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] KVM: TDX: Support event-notify interrupts only with userspace Quoting Xu Yilun
2026-06-25  6:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30  6:36     ` Peter Fang

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