From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
To: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: david@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org,
linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, yilun.xu@intel.com,
xiaoyao.li@intel.com, sohil.mehta@intel.com,
adrian.hunter@intel.com, kishen.maloor@intel.com,
tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com, peter.fang@intel.com,
baolu.lu@linux.intel.com, zhenzhong.duan@intel.com,
chao.gao@intel.com, artem.bityutskiy@linux.intel.com,
kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] x86/virt/tdx: Add extra memory to TDX module for the extensions
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2026 11:54:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <apf6WFKun8z4ejG8@thinkstation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apE8yHrGx/bfifV9@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050>
On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 03:46:16PM +0800, Xu Yilun wrote:
> > > > + page = alloc_contig_pages(required_pages, GFP_KERNEL, numa_mem_id(),
> > > > + &node_online_map);
> > >
> > > Why contiguous? TDH.EXT.MEM.ADD takes a list of page addresses and the loop
> > > below writes every one of them out separately.
> > >
> > > alloc_pages_bulk() fits the chunking that is already here, and a short
> > > return can be handled per chunk. alloc_contig_pages() isolates and migrates
> > > to get its range and fails TDX init outright when it cannot find one. PAMT
> >
> > Yeah, this is not the ABI requirement, but the kernel's consideration. A
> > brief reasoning in the commit log: avoiding permanent memory fragmentation
> > and buddy allocator efficiency loss.
> >
> > Also there is some discussion:
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/167d9540-2d9a-4367-bc68-b96494bc4044@intel.com/
> >
> > TL;DR
> > - The memory will never return to the kernel.
> > - There is chance that this tens of megabytes will fragment tens of
> > gigabytes of memory forever.
> > - The chance of fragmentation is actually low since at boot up, but
> > let the buddy allocator take care of these never-returned memory
> > is not necessary and lowers its efficiency.
>
> Hi Kiryl & David:
>
> I see there is another suggestion that the whole memory adding process
> could be a little simpler if we allocate & add pages 4k by 4k [1],
> rather than one-time pre-allocation. The concern of this alternative is,
> as said above, memory fragmentation.
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/f48b83feb2ee1d3c88b5a1627cf35b4b282d3f90.camel@intel.com/
>
> And I've realized the memory fragmentation discussion is not actually
> closed in previous thread [2]. We need more input.
>
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/167d9540-2d9a-4367-bc68-b96494bc4044@intel.com/
>
> Let me give a brief overview of the problem:
>
> Intel TDX (Trust Domain Extensions) is a feature for confidential
> computing. A secure firmware called "TDX module" runs in an isolated
> environment to provide services about security.
>
> In Linux, the host initializes TDX module at boot up time
> (subsys_initcall()). During the initialization, the host must donate
> tens of mega bytes physical memory (35M ~ 110M in the forseeable
> future) to the TDX module. These memory will *never be revoked* cause
> the TDX Module initialization is a one way path.
>
> The TDX Module doesn't require this memory be physically contiguous. But
> the kernel side concern is if we do PAGE_SIZE allocation, it may
> permanently fragment memory regions, stop them from allocating 2M huge
> pages. In worst case, ~50G (110M * 512) memory regions affacted.
>
> So is the physically contiguous allocation really a better choice here?
> We appreciate inputs from mm folks. Thanks!
What matters for fragmentation is not contiguity, it is how many
pageblocks are left partially occupied by unmovable pages that are never
freed.
So you can ask one pageblock at a time with
page = alloc_pages(GFP_KERNEL | __GFP_NOWARN, order);
with fallback to lower order if you must.
It also fits the ABI: pageblock_order is 9 on x86, i.e. 512 pages, which
is exactly TDX_HPA_LIST_MAX_NR_PAGES. One allocation is one full HPA list
is one TDH.EXT.MEM.ADD, so the allocation loop and the chunking loop
become the same loop.
But alloc_contig_pages() might be a good enough approximation for
per-pageblock allocation if we do it during the boot when fragmentation
is low.
My alloc_pages_bulk() suggestion is wrong. It doesn't get any control
over allocation placement. It will tap in the per-CPU cache first.
--
Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-02 10:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-21 3:29 [PATCH 0/6] Enable TDX module extensions Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 3:29 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86/virt/tdx: Wrap TDH.SYS.CONFIG/UPDATE operations in helpers Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 20:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-24 4:52 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-26 13:57 ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-08-21 3:29 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/virt/tdx: Configure add-on features on TDX module init and update Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 14:38 ` Dave Hansen
2026-08-21 21:18 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-24 6:37 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-24 15:15 ` Dave Hansen
2026-08-24 18:34 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 22:01 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-26 5:15 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 3:29 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86/virt/tdx: Detect if the extensions initialization is required Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 15:22 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-21 22:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-24 12:16 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-21 3:29 ` [PATCH 4/6] x86/virt/tdx: Add extra memory to TDX module for the extensions Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 15:44 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-24 9:18 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-24 12:22 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-28 7:46 ` Xu Yilun
2026-09-02 10:54 ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2026-08-21 3:29 ` [PATCH 5/6] x86/virt/tdx: Make TDX module initialize " Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 23:55 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-24 17:14 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-24 17:43 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-25 9:53 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-24 17:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-25 10:02 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-21 3:29 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/virt/tdx: Re-initialize the extensions on runtime TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-08-22 0:01 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-25 15:39 ` Xu Yilun
2026-08-25 8:35 ` Tony Lindgren
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