From: "George Spelvin" <linux@horizon.com>
To: linux@horizon.com, smueller@chronox.de
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, jarod@redhat.com,
linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, nhorman@tuxdriver.com
Subject: Re: Is ansi_cprng.c supposed to be an implmentation of X9.31?
Date: 1 Dec 2014 23:55:18 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141202045518.27813.qmail@ns.horizon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2067542.hCsFeEhKF1@tauon>
>> The other one, which I have to think *very* hard about, is whether
>> using the same seed material as /dev/random in this much weaker
>> cryptographic construction will introduce a flaw in *it*.
> I have no idea what you are referring to here. The caller is requred to
> seed the DRNG. Typically that is done with a call to get_random_bytes.
> As Neil mentioned, the X9.31 DRNG implementation does not seed itself.
Er, yes it does. Not the key, but the IV vector V[].
Here's the closest thing I can find on-line to a direct quote
from the ANSI Spec:
http://www.untruth.org/~josh/security/ansi931rng.PDF
"Let DT be a date/time vector which is updated on each iteration."
This timestamp is a source of continuous reseed material. The spec
doesn't impose specific resolution requirements, but it's hopefully
obvious that the finer, the better. The goal is a vector which changes
per iteration.
There are limitations due to its finite entropy and lack of catastrophic
reseeding, as Kelsey & Schneier pointed out:
https://www.schneier.com/paper-prngs.html
but it is intended as an entropy source.
Hopefully very soon I'll have a patch series to post. (Unfortunately,
I just managed to oops my kernel and need to reboot to continue testing.)
If I don't do much more, it'll be patch 13/17 in the series. I think
the use of get_random_int() is a good compromise between the raw
random_get_entropy() timestamp and the (too heavy) get_random_bytes().
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-12-02 4:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-28 23:23 Is ansi_cprng.c supposed to be an implmentation of X9.31? George Spelvin
2014-11-29 17:58 ` Neil Horman
2014-11-29 19:32 ` George Spelvin
2014-11-30 1:16 ` Neil Horman
2014-11-30 14:36 ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-02 4:55 ` George Spelvin [this message]
2014-12-02 13:22 ` Neil Horman
2014-12-02 17:56 ` George Spelvin
2014-11-30 14:31 ` Stephan Mueller
2014-11-30 14:26 ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-02 5:39 ` George Spelvin
2014-12-02 13:44 ` Neil Horman
2014-12-02 19:43 ` George Spelvin
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