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From: "George Spelvin" <linux@horizon.com>
To: nhorman@tuxdriver.com, smueller@chronox.de
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linux@horizon.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/25] Multiple changes to crypto/ansi_cprng.c
Date: 15 Dec 2014 17:01:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141215220102.23129.qmail@ns.horizon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141215113243.GA3803@hmsreliant.think-freely.org>

> With that then, I'm really fine with the changes given that they pass the NIST
> tests.

So here's the current list of issues.  First, minor ones:
1) Add const to DRBG interface, as per Stephan's request.
2) Revised version of that final patch that, you know, actually works.
3) Re-run tests at the very end just to make sure.

And the major ones:
4) Is non-deterministic DT desired?
5) If yes, how to request it?

On point 4, here are the primary arguments against:

* It makes the generator non-deterministic, which is a significant
  interface change and may break some applications.
* This is a crufty old generator, used primarily for compatibility,
  and it's best not to upset its quiet retirement.

And the primary arguments for:
* It's an honest good-faith implementation of the spec requirements.
  Using a counter is, IMHO, a strained interpretation.
* The implementation isn't particularly difficult.

After considering various options, my current (not very firm) thought
is that the best way to provide a non-deterministic option would be via
a separate algorithm name.

But externally-visible names are a high-level design issue and I could
definitely use some guidance there.  Opinions?

  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-15 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-07 12:26 [PATCH v2 00/25] Multiple changes to crypto/ansi_cprng.c George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 01/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - unroll _get_more_prng_bytes George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 02/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Additional _get_more_prng_bytes cleanup George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 03/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Use %phN rather than print_hex_dump for debug George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 04/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Make debug output more like NIST test vectors George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 05/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Eliminate ctx->I and ctx->last_rand_data George Spelvin
2014-12-14 11:50   ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-14 19:22     ` George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 06/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Make cont_test a bool George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 07/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Shrink context some more George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 08/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Don't call reset_prng_context from cprng_init George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 09/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Make length types consistent George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 10/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Use u8 data types consistently internally George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 11/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Eliminate unused PRNG_FIXED_SIZE flag George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 12/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Get rid of rdata buffer in fips_cprng_reset George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 13/25] crypto: Add appropriate consts to RNG API George Spelvin
2014-12-14 11:39   ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 14/25] crypto: tcrypt - Add const qualifiers all over the test code George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 15/25] crypto: testmgr - Merge seed arrays in struct cprng_testvec George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 16/25] crypto: testmgr - Report failure on zero-length crypto_rng_get_bytes George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 17/25] crypto: testmgr - Don't crash if CPRNG test result is large George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 18/25] crypto: testmgr - Add CPRNG stutter test George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 19/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - simplify get_prng_bytes George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 20/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - simplify xor_vectors() to xor_block() George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 21/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Rename rand_data_valid more sensibly George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 22/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Tweak comments George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 23/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Introduce a "union cipherblock" George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 24/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - Introduce non-deterministic mode George Spelvin
2014-12-07 12:26 ` [PATCH v2 25/25] crypto: ansi_cprng - If non-deterministic, don't buffer old output George Spelvin
2014-12-07 22:49   ` George Spelvin
2014-12-08 14:22     ` Neil Horman
2014-12-08 16:43       ` George Spelvin
2014-12-08 18:07         ` Neil Horman
2014-12-08 20:34           ` George Spelvin
2014-12-14 12:06 ` [PATCH v2 00/25] Multiple changes to crypto/ansi_cprng.c Stephan Mueller
2014-12-14 19:47   ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15  6:18     ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-14 20:37   ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15  6:14     ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-15  8:42       ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15  8:50         ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-15 10:45           ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15 11:08             ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-15  5:53   ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15  6:27     ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-15  8:28       ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15  8:56         ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-15 10:21           ` George Spelvin
2014-12-15 10:46             ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-15 11:32               ` Neil Horman
2014-12-15 22:01                 ` George Spelvin [this message]
2014-12-16  7:22                   ` Stephan Mueller
2014-12-16 11:32                   ` Neil Horman

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