From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/7] random: use RDSEED instead of RDRAND in entropy extraction
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:07:12 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgL3oCXDPB8dEUlU@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220208155335.378318-2-Jason@zx2c4.com>
On Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 04:53:29PM +0100, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> When /dev/random was directly connected with entropy extraction, without
> any expansion stage, extract_buf() was called for every 10 bytes of data
> read from /dev/random. For that reason, RDRAND was used rather than
> RDSEED. At the same time, crng_reseed() was still only called every 5
> minutes, so there RDSEED made sense.
>
> Those olden days were also a time when the entropy collector did not use
> a cryptographic hash function, which meant most bets were off in terms
> of real preimage resistance. For that reason too it didn't matter
> _that_ much whether RDSEED was mixed in before or after entropy
> extraction; both choices were sort of bad.
>
> But now we have a cryptographic hash function at work, and with that we
> get real preimage resistance. We also now only call extract_entropy()
> every 5 minutes, rather than every 10 bytes. This allows us to do two
> important things.
>
> First, we can switch to using RDSEED in extract_entropy(), as Dominik
> suggested. Second, we can ensure that RDSEED input always goes into the
> cryptographic hash function with other things before being used
> directly. This eliminates a category of attacks in which the CPU knows
> the current state of the crng and knows that we're going to xor RDSEED
> into it, and so it computes a malicious RDSEED. By going through our
> hash function, it would require the CPU to compute a preimage on the
> fly, which isn't going to happen.
>
> Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
> Suggested-by: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>
> Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> ---
> drivers/char/random.c | 22 +++++++++-------------
> 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
Looks good,
Reviewed-by: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@google.com>
- Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-02-08 23:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-08 15:53 [PATCH v1 0/7] random: cleanups around per-cpu crng & rdrand Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] random: use RDSEED instead of RDRAND in entropy extraction Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 23:07 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] random: get rid of secondary crngs Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] random: inline leaves of rand_initialize() Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 23:08 ` Eric Biggers
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] random: ensure early RDSEED goes through mixer on init Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 23:10 ` Eric Biggers
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] random: do not xor RDRAND when writing into /dev/random Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 23:11 ` Eric Biggers
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] random: use simpler fast key erasure flow on per-cpu keys Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 23:39 ` Eric Biggers
2022-02-09 0:21 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-08 15:53 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] random: remove outdated INT_MAX >> 6 check in urandom_read() Jason A. Donenfeld
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