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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: "Guozihua (Scott)" <guozihua@huawei.com>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, luto@kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Subject: Re: Inquiry about the removal of flag O_NONBLOCK on /dev/random
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 20:47:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YtYpQ1gf23mxIiYH@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d49d35f5-8eaf-d5e8-7443-ac896a946db7@huawei.com>

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 04:52:59PM +0800, Guozihua (Scott) wrote:
> On 2022/7/14 15:33, Guozihua (Scott) wrote:
> > Hi Community,
> > 
> > Recently we noticed the removal of flag O_NONBLOCK on /dev/random by
> > commit 30c08efec888 ("random: make /dev/random be almost like
> > /dev/urandom"), it seems that some of the open_source packages e.g.
> > random_get_fd() of util-linux and __getrandom() of glibc. The man page
> > for random() is not updated either.
> 
> Correction: I mean various open source packages are still using O_NONBLOCK
> flag while accessing /dev/random
> > 
> > Would anyone please kindly provide some background knowledge of this
> > flag and it's removal? Thanks!
> > 

This was changed a while ago, in v5.6.  /dev/random no longer recognizes
O_NONBLOCK because it no longer blocks, except before the entropy pool has been
initialized.

(I don't know why O_NONBLOCK stopped being recognized *before* the entropy pool
has been initialized; it's either an oversight, or it was decided it doesn't
matter.  Probably the latter, since I can't think of a real use case for using
O_NONBLOCK on /dev/random.)

The random(4) man page is indeed in need of an update, not just for this reason
but for some other reasons too.

The util-linux code which you mentioned is opening /dev/random with O_NONBLOCK
if opening /dev/urandom fails, which is pretty much pointless.  Perhaps the
author thought that /dev/random with O_NONBLOCK is equivalent to /dev/urandom
(it's not).  The glibc code, if you mean sysdeps/mach/hurd/getrandom.c, is
actually code written for GNU Hurd, not for Linux, so it's not relevant.

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-19  3:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-14  7:33 Inquiry about the removal of flag O_NONBLOCK on /dev/random Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-18  8:52 ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-19  3:47   ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2022-07-19  8:06     ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-19 11:01 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-07-21  3:50   ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-21  4:07     ` Eric Biggers
2022-07-21  6:44       ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-21  6:50         ` Eric Biggers
2022-07-21 10:37           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-07-21 11:30             ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-26  7:43             ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-26 11:08               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-07-26 11:33                 ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-28  8:24                   ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-09-06  7:14                     ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-09-06 10:16                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-07 13:03                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-08  3:31                         ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-09-08  9:51                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-08 10:40                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-08 14:26                               ` [PATCH] random: restore O_NONBLOCK support Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-19 10:27                             ` Inquiry about the removal of flag O_NONBLOCK on /dev/random Guozihua (Scott)
2022-09-19 10:40                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-19 10:45                                 ` Guozihua (Scott)
2022-07-21 11:09         ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-07-21 11:30           ` Guozihua (Scott)

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