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From: Linlin Zhang <linlin.zhang@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, mst@redhat.com, jasowangio@gmail.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/11] FBE virtualization: inline encryption for virtio-blk guests
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2026 16:15:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1b6293a-f2ce-46c6-94c4-dea30d65cb6a@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260901194447.GE527638@fedora>



On 9/2/2026 3:44 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 04:45:19PM +0800, Linlin Zhang wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2026 4:22 PM, Linlin Zhang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/1/2026 5:07 AM, Eric Biggers wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 11:37:57PM +0800, Linlin Zhang wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for your comments!
>>>>>
>>>>> Not making virtio-blk itself support key programming and eviction is
>>>>> something done deliberately. Based on that HW-wrapped key management
>>>>> operations are also handled in the out-of-band path.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are bellow 2 approaches I investigated to let virtio-blk programming
>>>>> the key.
>>>>>
>>>>>   1. virtio_blk implements blk_crypto_ll_ops interfaces, including program
>>>>>      key and evict key interfaces.(Same to 'the virtio-blk interface standardized
>>>>>      blk_crypto_ll_ops requests' mentioned by Stefan in the virtio SPEC thread)
>>>>>
>>>>>      The guest's block crypto profile manages the keyslot in virtual slot
>>>>>      format in this scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>>       - block crypto key and virt_slot index it passed to the hypervisor's
>>>>>        (EL2) device emulation (QEMU, using QEMU in the following) which
>>>>>        runs in userspace of the host. Besides of transferring the virtual
>>>>>        slot to the physical slot, a programming block crypto key UAPI need
>>>>>        be added. Follow current blk-crypto design, it may be like
>>>>>        BLKCRYPTOGENERATEKEY. I thought this results in a security risk that
>>>>>        allows userspace process a key into a key slot.
>>>>>
>>>>>      - For key eviction, it's similar to above key programming handling, also
>>>>>        need a key eviction in blk IOCTLs, but leads to the security risk
>>>>>        that allow userspace client to evict a key in a key slot.
>>>>>
>>>>>     virt_slot, DUN and DUSize is appended to virtblk request during crypto
>>>>>     I/O.
>>>>>
>>>>>   2. virtio_blk implements blk_crypto_ll_ops interfaces, excluding program
>>>>>      key and evict key interfaces.
>>>>>
>>>>>      The guest's block crypto profile doesn't manage keyslot for the guest,
>>>>>      the host's block crypto profile manages keyslot for both the guest and
>>>>>      the host. The trigger of key programming operation is moved from the
>>>>>      guest to the host.
>>>>>
>>>>>        - The whole block crypto key (key size, key bytes, blk_crypto_config)
>>>>>          and DUN are appended to the virtblk request during IO, a little
>>>>>          high payload.
>>>>>
>>>>>          The backend parses the crypto message in the virtio queue and
>>>>>          construct a block crypto key and DUN for the bio_crypto_ctx
>>>>>          set to the BIO. So that the IO flow in the host can program
>>>>>          the key. 
>>>>>
>>>>>          The question is that the blk-crypto-profile distinguishs the
>>>>>          block crypto key via the key's address. But the host has
>>>>>          different key addresses for the programming and eviction key
>>>>>          operations of the same block crypto key from GVM, because the
>>>>>          key is re-constructed in the host for the key program and
>>>>>          eviction operations. 
>>>>>
>>>>>          To fix it, the approach I thought is maintaining a new key
>>>>>          hash table in the backend, and comparing the block crypto key
>>>>>          content and DUN parsed from virtio queue with that in the key
>>>>>          hash table. 
>>>>>          My major concern is that this need keep the keys synchronization
>>>>>          b/w this new hash table and the blk-crypto-profile's hash table
>>>>>          carefully, avoiding that key is still present in the
>>>>>          blk-crypto-profile's hash table, but removed in backend hash
>>>>>          table. Another point is that the whole block crypto key and
>>>>>          DUN are appended into virtio block request per crypto I/O.
>>>>>
>>>>>        - For key eviction, adding a key eviction in blk IOCTLs allows
>>>>>          userspace client to evict a key in a key slot. I thought this
>>>>>          is a security concern.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      This option doesn't need map virt_slot to physical one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking all the above into account, I made a compromise to implement
>>>>> blk_crypto_ll_ops interfaces in a out-of-band path, which lets the virtio
>>>>> blk only need focus on the data path. I agree that it is complex than
>>>>> the second option mentioned in the above, but small payload (only
>>>>> virt_slot, DUN, DUSize) in the virtio block request and no security
>>>>> risk of key eviction from userspace.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to hear your thoughts about the above and am appreciated
>>>>> if you could share your insights about the design of inline
>>>>> encryption in virtio block.
>>>>
>>>> Well, the way it should work is that each virtio-blk device should have
>>>> its own set of *virtual* keyslots on the host side.  From the guest's
>>>> perspective it would act very similarly to UFS / eMMC inline encryption,
>>>> and it would be easy to integrate into the existing stack.
>>>>
>>>> Then to process encrypted I/O, the host would use the keyslot number in
>>>> the I/O to look up the blk_crypto_key it previously saved, and issue I/O
>>>> using that key (using bio_crypt_set_ctx()).  The existing keyslot
>>>> management logic in the block layer would allocate or wait for a
>>>> physical keyslot as needed, so it should just work.
>>>>
>>>> Eviction would similarly be passed through to blk_crypto_evict_key().
>>>>
>>>> Note that with this design, there would be no static partitioning of the
>>>> physical keyslots.  The host would just allocate and release them as
>>>> needed, similar to memory allocation.  The total number of virtual
>>>> keyslots could be greater than the number of physical keyslots.
>>>>
>>>> This design would also work with hardware-wrapped keys.
>>>>
>>>> The hardest part is still the UAPIs for the VMM to do what it needs to
>>>> do (assuming that it even needs to support physical inline encryption
>>>> hardware at all, and not simply use the AES acceleration on the CPU),
>>>> but that is the case with any of the proposals.
>>>>
>>>> - Eric
>>>
>>> Thanks for your insights and clarification.
>>>
>>> This is a very clear architecture for virtio-blk inline encryption support
>>> and is quite similar to what I referred to as approach 1, with a few notable
>>> differences:
>>>
>>>   - The host maintains a set of virtual keyslots per virtio-blk device.
>>>   - Physical keyslots are not statically partitioned.
>>>   - The virtual-to-physical slot mapping is managed as part of the virtio-blk
>>>     device implementation rather than being tied to a VM-wide slot table.
>>>
>>> With this design, I believe there would be two VM exits associated with
>>> encrypted I/O:
>>>   1. Key programming
>>>      Before encrypted I/O can be submitted, the guest needs to program a key
>>>      into a virtual keyslot:
>>>      
>>>      Guest virtio-blk driver
>>>          -> VM exit
>>>          -> virtio-blk backend (e.g. QEMU)
>>>          -> ioctl
>>>          -> host virtio-blk proxy driver
>>>             (stores the blk_crypto_key in a virtual keyslot)
>>>
>>>   2. Encrypted I/O submission
>>>      The I/O request carries the virtual keyslot number and DUN:
>>>
>>>      Guest virtio-blk driver
>>>         -> VM exit
>>>         -> virtio-blk backend (e.g. QEMU)
>>>         -> ioctl
>>>         -> host virtio-blk proxy driver
>>>            (looks up the blk_crypto_key associated with the virtual keyslot
>>>             and submits I/O using bio_crypt_set_ctx())
>>
>> Supplementation.
>> This may be a potential security concern. The host virtio-blk proxy driver exposes
>> API for key programming, the input parameters are blk_crypto key and virtual
>> slot. If a malicious program replace the key in a specific virtual slot between
>> key program call and I/O submission via this API, the data would be encrypted
>> by the unintentional key.
> 
> If the virtual key slots in the uapi are per file descriptor rather than
> per inode, then other programs cannot interfere with each other's
> virtual key slots. Each program gets its own virtual key space when it
> opens a file descriptor. Sharing is only possible by inheriting or
> passing a file descriptor to another process and that's good for
> security.
> 

Thanks for your advice!
That sounds a good way. I'll check if this mechanism can be used in the above
design properly.

> Stefan


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-02  8:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-27 16:07 [PATCH v1 00/11] FBE virtualization: inline encryption for virtio-blk guests Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] virtio_blk: add inline encryption support Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 19:48   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-09-02  5:58     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] soc: qcom: add crypto_virt backend for virtio-blk inline crypto Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31  6:56   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-01  9:39     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 13:58       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] soc: qcom: crypto_virt: add support for create, prepare and import keys Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31  6:58   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-01 10:31     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 14:01       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] dt-bindings: soc: qcom: add binding for qcom,crypto-virt Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31  7:01   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-01 10:40     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] blk-crypto: add slot-based inline encryption path Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 19:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] scsi: ufs: core: add slot path to ufshcd_prepare_lrbp_crypto Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 19:08   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] blk-crypto: move bio_crypt_dun_increment() to the public header Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 19:13   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-09-02  6:02     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] block: add /dev/blk-crypto-proxy for host-side virtio-blk inline encryption Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 19:43   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] soc: qcom: add ICE keyslot partitioning driver for guest VMs Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31  7:02   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-01 10:48     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] blk-crypto: add slot_offset to blk_crypto_profile Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] scsi: ufs: ufs-qcom: support ICE keyslot partitioning for guest VMs Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31  7:03   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-09-01 10:54     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 14:02       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-27 18:42 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] FBE virtualization: inline encryption for virtio-blk guests Eric Biggers
2026-08-28 15:37   ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-28 15:56     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31  6:21     ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-31 20:41     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-09-01  9:21       ` Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 18:47         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-08-31 21:07     ` Eric Biggers
2026-09-01  8:22       ` Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01  8:45         ` Linlin Zhang
2026-09-01 19:44           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2026-09-02  8:15             ` Linlin Zhang [this message]
2026-09-01 21:28         ` Eric Biggers

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