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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
Cc: david.laight.linux@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	ankur.a.arora@oracle.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
	dave@stgolabs.net, david@kernel.org, fvdl@google.com,
	joao.m.martins@oracle.com, jonathan.cameron@huawei.com,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mhocko@suse.com, mjguzik@gmail.com,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, osalvador@suse.de, raghavendra.kt@amd.com,
	wangzhou1@hisilicon.com, zhanjie9@hisilicon.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 13:38:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aW_Lj0q6swLVR8SY@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aW_G66HeWLbyiPHs@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 01:18:19PM -0500, Gregory Price wrote:
> This is a trivial example, but it's unclear zero_on_free actually
> provides a benefit.  You have to know ahead of time what the runtime
> behavior, pre-zeroed count, and allocation pattern (0->10->5->...) would
> be to determine whether there's an actual reduction in startup time.
> 
> But just trivially, starting from the base case of no pages being
> zeroed, you're just injecting an additional zero(X) cost if program_a()
> consumes more hugepages than program_b().
> 
> Long way of saying the shift from alloc to free seems heuristic-y and
> you need stronger analysis / better data to show this change is actually
> beneficial in the general case.
> 

As an addendum to this:  Maybe this is an indication that a global
switch (per-node sysfs entry) is not the best decision, and that maybe
there's a better way to accomplish this with a reduced scope.

hugetlb-only sysfs knob
	- same issue as current proposal, but better placed
	  why would you only apply this on one node?

prctl thingy
	- limits effects to just those opting into alloc-on-free
	- probably still needs hugetlb-internal zeroed-pages tracking
	  but doesn't require the rest of the machinery

do it entirely in userland
	- modify the software to zero before exit
	- use MAP_UNINITIALIZED
	- useful and simple if your hugetlb use case is homogenous

there's probably more oprtions

~Gregory

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-20 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <9daa39e6-9653-45cc-8c00-abf5f3bae974@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <20260115093641.44404-1-lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
     [not found]   ` <83798495-915b-4a5d-9638-f5b3de913b71@kernel.org>
2026-01-15 11:57     ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-15 17:08       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 20:16         ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-15 20:22           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 22:30             ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-20  6:27               ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20  9:47                 ` David Laight
2026-01-20 10:39                   ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20 18:18                     ` Gregory Price
2026-01-20 18:38                       ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-01-20 19:30                       ` David Laight
2026-01-20 19:52                         ` Gregory Price
2026-01-21  8:03                       ` Li Zhe
2026-01-21 12:41                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-21 12:32                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)

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