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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ankur.a.arora@oracle.com,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, dave@stgolabs.net, david@kernel.org,
	fvdl@google.com, joao.m.martins@oracle.com,
	jonathan.cameron@huawei.com, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mhocko@suse.com, mjguzik@gmail.com, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	osalvador@suse.de, raghavendra.kt@amd.com,
	wangzhou1@hisilicon.com, zhanjie9@hisilicon.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 14:52:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aW_dEjSr4E4N5Fn7@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260120193027.3d160211@pumpkin>

On Tue, Jan 20, 2026 at 07:30:27PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> > /* Run programs in serial */
> > sh:  program_a && program_b
> > 
> > in zero_on_alloc():
> > 	program_a eats zero(10) cost on startup
> > 	program_b eats zero(5) cost on startup
> > 	Overall zero(15) cost to start program_b
> > 
> > in zero_on_free()
> > 	program_a eats zero(10) cost on startup
> 
> Do you get that cost? - wont all the unused memory be zeros.
> 

If program_a was the first to access, wouldn't it have had to zero it?

> > But just trivially, starting from the base case of no pages being
> > zeroed, you're just injecting an additional zero(X) cost if program_a()
> > consumes more hugepages than program_b().
> 
> I'd consider a different test:
> 	for c in $(jot 1 1000); do program_a; done
> 
> Regardless of whether you zero on alloc or free all the zeroing is in line.
> Move it to a low priority thread (that uses a non-aggressive loop) and
> there will be reasonable chance of there being pre-zeroed pages available.
> (Most DMA is far too aggressive...)
> 
> If you zero on free it might also be a waste of time.
> Maybe the memory is next used to read data from a disk file.
> 

Right, both points here being that it's heuristic-y, it only applies in
certain scenarios and trying to optimize for one probably hurts another.

~Gregory

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-20 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <9daa39e6-9653-45cc-8c00-abf5f3bae974@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <20260115093641.44404-1-lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
     [not found]   ` <83798495-915b-4a5d-9638-f5b3de913b71@kernel.org>
2026-01-15 11:57     ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-15 17:08       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 20:16         ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-15 20:22           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 22:30             ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-20  6:27               ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20  9:47                 ` David Laight
2026-01-20 10:39                   ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20 18:18                     ` Gregory Price
2026-01-20 18:38                       ` Gregory Price
2026-01-20 19:30                       ` David Laight
2026-01-20 19:52                         ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-01-21  8:03                       ` Li Zhe
2026-01-21 12:41                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-21 12:32                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)

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