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From: David Gibson <dwg-8fk3Idey6ehBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:05:50 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090213010550.GE8104@yookeroo.seuss> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87prhnwltz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 07:29:12PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> "M. Warner Losh" <imp-uzTCJ5RojNnQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
[snip]
> > However, every board that's being produced for powerpc has the DTB at
> > least available.  It has to be, or (recent?) Linux kernels flat out
> > won't work.  This suggests that it might be a good idea to look at
> > this format.
> >
> > There's DTS and DTB.  One is the source, the other is the binary
> > created from the source.  I'd recommend that qemu actually use the DTB
> > rather than the DTS to implement things.  This way one could have a
> > nicer syntax like the above and generate the DTB, or one could use the
> > DTS provided by a vendor if there was a more specific board they
> > wanted qemu to emulate.
> 
> As far as I know, dtc can decompile DTB into DTS.

That's correct.  However, like many decompilation processes,
converting dts->dtb->dts is usually a lossy process to some extent.
dts has multiple ways to represent some things for readability
reasons, which don't affect the content of the compiled tree.

> I'm not a fan of DTS syntax either, but if we choose FDT, then inventing
> an alternative syntax seems rather pointless to me.

If you have suggestions for improving dts that don't involve
completely breaking compatibility with existing trees, we might be
able to incorporate them into dtc to make everyone's life easier.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <87iqnh6kyv.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-11 18:50   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Hollis Blanchard
2009-02-11 19:34     ` Blue Swirl
     [not found]     ` <1234378228.28751.79.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12  4:01       ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-12 10:26         ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:49           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 16:46             ` M. Warner Losh
2009-02-12 18:29               ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 23:58                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                   ` <4994B7B6.80805-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:19                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                 ` <87prhnwltz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  1:05                   ` David Gibson [this message]
2009-02-12 23:35               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 23:58                 ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                   ` <200902122358.25864.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:32                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13  0:47                       ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                       ` <4994BF93.2070409-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  1:46                         ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-13 14:32                       ` Lennart Sorensen
     [not found]                 ` <4994B22E.6060608-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:05                   ` [Qemu-devel] " M. Warner Losh
     [not found]           ` <87iqng0x3t.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 17:52             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]               ` <1234461162.20305.16.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 18:53                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                   ` <87fxijwkpn.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 19:33                     ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                       ` <499479A7.5090902-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:59                         ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  1:00                 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  0:43             ` David Gibson
     [not found]               ` <20090213004305.GB8104-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:11                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                   ` <4994D6C8.5050004-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:17                     ` David Gibson
     [not found]                       ` <20090213021704.GA10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:45                         ` DTS syntax and DTC patches (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                           ` <4994DED9.6020803-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:51                             ` David Gibson
     [not found]                               ` <20090213025101.GC10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 17:07                                 ` [coreboot] " ron minnich
     [not found]                               ` <13426df10902130907m5c3452dpb8f4f2b72f8507b9@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                 ` <13426df10902130907m5c3452dpb8f4f2b72f8507b9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20  2:29                                   ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                     ` <20090220022918.GA18332-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20  3:32                                       ` ron minnich
2009-02-13 20:04                     ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Jon Loeliger
2009-02-13 20:15                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                         ` <4995D4EE.8030703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 20:19                           ` Jon Loeliger
2009-02-12 10:26     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:36       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]       ` <87k57w0x4r.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:37         ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
     [not found]           ` <20090213003724.GA8104-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:26             ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]               ` <87ab8qr317.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 12:06                 ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                   ` <200902131206.42427.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 12:48                     ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                       ` <87ocx6pkol.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 13:33                         ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                           ` <200902131333.47141.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 14:13                             ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                               ` <871vu2pgq7.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 14:25                                 ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                                   ` <200902131425.53137.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 15:47                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-02-13 18:36                                 ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                   ` <4995BDC0.3040806-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 19:49                                     ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                                       ` <877i3uglqz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 19:51                                         ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-16  3:42                 ` David Gibson
     [not found]                   ` <20090216034214.GB9772-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 16:39                     ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                       ` <87iqnawd2r.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17  3:29                         ` David Gibson
     [not found]                           ` <20090217032909.GA29225-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17  7:54                             ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17 17:44                             ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                               ` <200902171744.34951.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-18  8:36                                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found] ` <18834.64870.951989.714873@mariner.uk.xensource.com>
     [not found]   ` <18834.64870.951989.714873-msK/Ju9w1zmnROeE8kUsYhEHtJm+Wo+I@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-11 18:57     ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]       ` <1234378639.28751.85.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12  3:50         ` David Gibson

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