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From: Paul Brook <paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:25:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200902131425.53137.paul@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871vu2pgq7.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>

> Look, my goals are rather modest.  I want to start where we are, put
> devices behind a nice abstract interface one by one, picking apart the
> pc.c hairball on the way.  The idea is not to design the perfect,
> all-encompassing abstract device interface, just to capture what we
> need, and extend as we go.  The abstract device interface makes a simple
> machine builder possible, driven by tree-structured configuration.  That
> in turn makes it easier to make things configurable.  Which can be
> expected to lead to more configurability, when and where there's a need
> for it.
>
> All this can be done in nice, safe baby steps.  I don't need to come up
> with an all-singing machine description fit for a picky kernel before I
> can start doing something useful.
>
> Now, if you hand me such a configuration on a platter, I'd be a fool not
> to take it.  The catch: I need one for a PC.

I suspect these two goals may be contradictory. The PC machine is so hairy 
that you need a singing, dancing machine description to be able to describe 
it.

OTOH if what you really want to do is configure the host binding side of 
things, then as I've mentioned before, I see that as been somewhat separate 
from the actual machine creation, and trying to combine the two is probably a 
mistake. I really don't want users to have to hack the machine config just to 
change the name of an image file.

Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13 14:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <87iqnh6kyv.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-11 18:50   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Hollis Blanchard
2009-02-11 19:34     ` Blue Swirl
     [not found]     ` <1234378228.28751.79.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12  4:01       ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-12 10:26         ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:49           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 16:46             ` M. Warner Losh
2009-02-12 18:29               ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 23:58                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                   ` <4994B7B6.80805-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:19                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                 ` <87prhnwltz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  1:05                   ` David Gibson
2009-02-12 23:35               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 23:58                 ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                   ` <200902122358.25864.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:32                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13  0:47                       ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                       ` <4994BF93.2070409-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  1:46                         ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2009-02-13 14:32                       ` Lennart Sorensen
     [not found]                 ` <4994B22E.6060608-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:05                   ` [Qemu-devel] " M. Warner Losh
     [not found]           ` <87iqng0x3t.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 17:52             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]               ` <1234461162.20305.16.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 18:53                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                   ` <87fxijwkpn.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12 19:33                     ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                       ` <499479A7.5090902-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:59                         ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  1:00                 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  0:43             ` David Gibson
     [not found]               ` <20090213004305.GB8104-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:11                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                   ` <4994D6C8.5050004-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:17                     ` David Gibson
     [not found]                       ` <20090213021704.GA10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:45                         ` DTS syntax and DTC patches (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                           ` <4994DED9.6020803-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  2:51                             ` David Gibson
     [not found]                               ` <20090213025101.GC10476-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 17:07                                 ` [coreboot] " ron minnich
     [not found]                               ` <13426df10902130907m5c3452dpb8f4f2b72f8507b9@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                 ` <13426df10902130907m5c3452dpb8f4f2b72f8507b9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20  2:29                                   ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                     ` <20090220022918.GA18332-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-20  3:32                                       ` ron minnich
2009-02-13 20:04                     ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Jon Loeliger
2009-02-13 20:15                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]                         ` <4995D4EE.8030703-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 20:19                           ` Jon Loeliger
2009-02-12 10:26     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:36       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
     [not found]       ` <87k57w0x4r.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13  0:37         ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
     [not found]           ` <20090213003724.GA8104-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 11:26             ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]               ` <87ab8qr317.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 12:06                 ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                   ` <200902131206.42427.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 12:48                     ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                       ` <87ocx6pkol.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 13:33                         ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                           ` <200902131333.47141.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 14:13                             ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                               ` <871vu2pgq7.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 14:25                                 ` Paul Brook [this message]
     [not found]                                   ` <200902131425.53137.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 15:47                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-02-13 18:36                                 ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                   ` <4995BDC0.3040806-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 19:49                                     ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                                       ` <877i3uglqz.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-13 19:51                                         ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-16  3:42                 ` David Gibson
     [not found]                   ` <20090216034214.GB9772-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-16 16:39                     ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]                       ` <87iqnawd2r.fsf-A7mx1g9ivIOttUaS3K59qNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17  3:29                         ` David Gibson
     [not found]                           ` <20090217032909.GA29225-787xzQ0H9iRg7VrjXcPTGA@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-17  7:54                             ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17 17:44                             ` Paul Brook
     [not found]                               ` <200902171744.34951.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-18  8:36                                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found] ` <18834.64870.951989.714873@mariner.uk.xensource.com>
     [not found]   ` <18834.64870.951989.714873-msK/Ju9w1zmnROeE8kUsYhEHtJm+Wo+I@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-11 18:57     ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]       ` <1234378639.28751.85.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-02-12  3:50         ` David Gibson

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