From: Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
To: Richard Cochran <richardcochran-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Rodolfo Giometti <giometti-k2GhghHVRtY@public.gmane.org>,
john stultz <johnstul-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Christian Riesch
<christian.riesch-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>,
netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linuxppc-dev-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
Krzysztof Halasa <khc-9GfyWEdoJtJmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] ptp: Added a brand new class driver for ptp clocks.
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100827155040.0502ec1b@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100827140205.GA3293-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
> To tell the truth, my original motivation for the patch set was to
> support PTP clocks and applications. I don't think that is such a bad
ptp *clocks*
> idea. After all, the adjtimex interface was added just to support NTP.
>
> At the same time, I can understand the desire to have a generic
> hardware clock adjustment API. Let me see if I can understand and
> summarize what people are asking for:
>
> clock_adjtime(clockid_t id, struct timex *t);
>
> and struct timex gets some new fields at the end.
For a new syscall you could equally make it
(clockid_t id, void *args)
> Using the call, NTPd can call clock_adjtime(CLOCK_REALTIME) and PTPd
> can call clock_realtime(CLOCK_PTP) and everyone is happy, no?
If you only have one clock that you are calling 'the PTP clock' - but is
that a good assumption ?
I agree with your fundamental arguments as I understand them
- That it's another clock or clocks possibly not synchronized with the
system clock
- That there should be a sensible API for doing slews and steps on other
clocks but the systen clock.
I'm concerned about the assumption that there is a single magic PTP
clock, and calling it a PTP clock for two reasons
- There can be more than one
- PTP is just a protocol, in five years time it might be TICTOC or
something newer and more wonderous, in some environments it'll be a
synchronous distributed clock generation not PTP etc. Wiring PTP or
IEE1588v2 into the clock name doesn't make sense.
I'd be happier with a model which says we have some arbitary number of
synchronization sources which may or may not have a connection to system
time, and may be using all sorts of synchronization methods. Clock in
fact seems almost a misnomer.
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-27 14:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-16 11:17 [PATCH v5 0/5] ptp: IEEE 1588 clock support Richard Cochran
2010-08-16 11:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] ptp: Added a brand new class driver for ptp clocks Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <363bd749a38d0b785d8431e591bf54c38db4c2d7.1281956490.git.richard.cochran-3mrvs1K0uXizZXS1Dc/lvw@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-16 14:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-16 19:00 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-16 19:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-17 8:32 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-17 9:25 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201008170925.55592.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 10:52 ` Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <20100817105232.GA9079-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 11:36 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-18 0:40 ` john stultz
[not found] ` <201008171336.29375.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-18 14:04 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-18 15:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201008181702.03384.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19 9:22 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-19 12:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-19 15:23 ` Ira W. Snyder
2010-08-19 15:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-16 19:24 ` john stultz
2010-08-16 19:38 ` john stultz
[not found] ` <AANLkTik_2MKMhOuDGOmu8Kzyq-ipLe+Bxrb3FaD+Tv4U-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-17 8:53 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-18 0:22 ` john stultz
2010-08-18 7:19 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-19 0:12 ` john stultz
[not found] ` <1282176776.2865.100.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-19 5:55 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-19 12:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-19 15:38 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-23 20:21 ` john stultz
[not found] ` <1282594899.3111.358.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 11:08 ` Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <20100827110855.GA11657-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 12:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-27 20:56 ` John Stultz
2010-08-27 12:45 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-27 20:14 ` John Stultz
2010-08-23 20:08 ` john stultz
2010-08-24 18:30 ` Stephan Gatzka
2010-08-25 9:40 ` Christian Riesch
2010-08-27 1:57 ` john stultz
[not found] ` <1282874269.4371.74.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 7:57 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-27 12:41 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20100827134154.50eef56c-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 14:02 ` Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <20100827140205.GA3293-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 14:50 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2010-08-27 15:35 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-08-29 13:32 ` Christian Riesch
[not found] ` <1282594125.3111.344.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 12:38 ` Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <20100827123849.GC11657-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 13:38 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20100827143844.646eccf6-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 14:34 ` Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <20100827143437.GB3293-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-27 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-27 15:21 ` Patrick Loschmidt
2010-08-27 16:17 ` Jacob Keller
2010-08-27 22:30 ` John Stultz
2010-09-06 6:33 ` Richard Cochran
[not found] ` <20100906063327.GA4549-7KxsofuKt4IfAd9E5cN8NEzG7cXyKsk/@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-21 16:54 ` Stephan Gatzka
2010-09-21 20:47 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <AANLkTinRM3_kBc5S3wV=_S6P8+x7A43kz0qSYbixJYnq-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-22 10:14 ` Richard Cochran
2010-08-16 11:18 ` [PATCH 2/5] ptp: Added a clock that uses the Linux system time Richard Cochran
2010-08-16 11:18 ` [PATCH 3/5] ptp: Added a clock that uses the eTSEC found on the MPC85xx Richard Cochran
2010-08-16 11:18 ` [PATCH 4/5] ptp: Added a clock driver for the IXP46x Richard Cochran
2010-08-16 11:19 ` [PATCH 5/5] ptp: Added a clock driver for the National Semiconductor PHYTER Richard Cochran
2010-08-25 21:55 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] ptp: IEEE 1588 clock support Jacob Keller
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