From: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
To: Christian Marangi <ansuelsmth@gmail.com>
Cc: "Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Jiri Slaby" <jirislaby@kernel.org>,
"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
"Benjamin Larsson" <benjamin.larsson@genexis.eu>,
"John Ogness" <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
"Marco Felsch" <m.felsch@pengutronix.de>,
"Gerhard Engleder" <eg@keba.com>,
"Jiaxun Yang" <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
"Binbin Zhou" <zhoubinbin@loongson.cn>,
"Rong Zhang" <rongrong@oss.cipunited.com>,
"Lukas Wunner" <lukas@wunner.de>,
"Lubomir Rintel" <lkundrak@v3.sk>,
devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] serial: 8250: map UAPI port type to internal enum
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2026 13:09:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alDExy46n55IVHeN@ashevche-desk.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a50169d.41a38e5f.1bb169.a6d5@mx.google.com>
On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 11:46:02PM +0200, Christian Marangi wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 12:37:48AM +0300, Andy Shevchenko wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 10:56:51PM +0200, Christian Marangi wrote:
> > > There is currently some confusion when a new 8250 UART device needs to be
> > > defined with the related index for uart_config[] to be directly defined in
> > > UAPI header.
> > >
> > > There isn't any specific reason to define the index directly in UAPI header
> > > unless it's also needed to be defined for userspace usage.
> > >
> > > To try to address this confusion and making it clear how these specific
> > > index should be defined and where, create a dedicated enum in 8250.h
> > > with all the current defined values in UAPI header and document how these
> > > id should be defined.
> > >
> > > Rename the define in 8250_port.c with the new UART_ prefix.
> >
> > This will bring a wide field for the all possible conflicts and doesn't really
> > solve the issue. Why not simply kill the UAPI part of the definitions for good?
> > (Move the all, except the first 13) to be internal to the kernel.
>
> I mean... With correct review from maintainers, conflict won't happen. I don't
> feel it's that easy to kill UAPI header... userspace stuff and we don't
> kill userspace.
>
> The previous suggested solution was to stop declaring stuff in UAPI header
> and start declaring in the internal header making the situation even worse
> and error prone with id conflict. This can really be prevent only by
> correct review of the change. (or keep using UAPI)
>
> Maybe other have better ideas on this. On net we have a similar problem and
> the implementation is mostly similar with duplicated reference and some
> BUILD_BUG magic.
The whole point of UAPI list of the supported types of the ports is busted from
the very first case when we start re-using gaps. Meaning that if there is any
current userspace software that relies on that information, it's already in a mess
state. There is a Debian source code browser, you can check how many programs
use that list for something real (behind the assigning types to the unknown ports).
I believe none. And the assigning unknown port should not be considered valuable
these days as we expect to have kernel drivers for most of the modern HW.
That's why I just recommend to find a great common denominator and leave only
those (and I think this split is exactly between the files in UAPI) in UAPI
and hide the rest completely from the user space. Yes, big change on paper,
but with 99.99% probability no functional change at all at the end of the day.
Submit and RFC patch.
--
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-10 10:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-09 20:56 [PATCH 0/4] serial: 8250: Add AN7581 UART support Christian Marangi
2026-07-09 20:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] dt-bindings: serial: 8250: Add Airoha compatibles Christian Marangi
2026-07-10 16:43 ` Conor Dooley
2026-07-09 20:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] serial: 8250: export serial8250_get_baud_rate() Christian Marangi
2026-07-09 21:35 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-09 21:39 ` Christian Marangi
2026-07-10 8:20 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-10 8:49 ` Christian Marangi
2026-07-10 9:14 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-10 8:19 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2026-07-09 20:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] serial: 8250: map UAPI port type to internal enum Christian Marangi
2026-07-09 21:18 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-09 21:37 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-07-09 21:46 ` Christian Marangi
2026-07-10 10:09 ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2026-07-09 20:56 ` [PATCH 4/4] serial: 8250: Add Airoha SoC UART and HSUART support Christian Marangi
2026-07-09 21:19 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10 7:13 ` Jiri Slaby
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