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Subject: Re: [PATCH mm-unstable v17 11/14] mm/khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 01:55:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260521015510.k4p22m365q2wqkro@master> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA1CXcD2KPKFrwCZd2PatQhf_e1nrvCguPD77GcNOVPFZLvsew@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 06:05:31AM -0600, Nico Pache wrote:
>On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 9:44 AM Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 12:58:11PM -0600, Nico Pache wrote:
>> >Enable khugepaged to collapse to mTHP orders. This patch implements the
>> >main scanning logic using a bitmap to track occupied pages and a stack
>> >structure that allows us to find optimal collapse sizes.
>> >
>> >Previous to this patch, PMD collapse had 3 main phases, a light weight
>> >scanning phase (mmap_read_lock) that determines a potential PMD
>> >collapse, an alloc phase (mmap unlocked), then finally heavier collapse
>> >phase (mmap_write_lock).
>> >
>> >To enabled mTHP collapse we make the following changes:
>> >
>> >During PMD scan phase, track occupied pages in a bitmap. When mTHP
>> >orders are enabled, we remove the restriction of max_ptes_none during the
>> >scan phase to avoid missing potential mTHP collapse candidates. Once we
>> >have scanned the full PMD range and updated the bitmap to track occupied
>> >pages, we use the bitmap to find the optimal mTHP size.
>> >
>> >Implement collapse_scan_bitmap() to perform binary recursion on the bitmap
>> >and determine the best eligible order for the collapse. A stack structure
>> >is used instead of traditional recursion to manage the search. This also
>> >prevents a traditional recursive approach when the kernel stack struct is
>> >limited. The algorithm recursively splits the bitmap into smaller chunks to
>> >find the highest order mTHPs that satisfy the collapse criteria. We start
>> >by attempting the PMD order, then moved on the consecutively lower orders
>> >(mTHP collapse). The stack maintains a pair of variables (offset, order),
>> >indicating the number of PTEs from the start of the PMD, and the order of
>> >the potential collapse candidate.
>> >
>> >The algorithm for consuming the bitmap works as such:
>> >    1) push (0, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER) onto the stack
>> >    2) pop the stack
>> >    3) check if the number of set bits in that (offset,order) pair
>> >       statisfy the max_ptes_none threshold for that order
>> >    4) if yes, attempt collapse
>> >    5) if no (or collapse fails), push two new stack items representing
>> >       the left and right halves of the current bitmap range, at the
>> >       next lower order
>> >    6) repeat at step (2) until stack is empty.
>> >
>> >Below is a diagram representing the algorithm and stack items:
>> >
>> >                            offset   mid_offset
>> >                            |        |
>> >                            |        |
>> >                            v        v
>> >          ____________________________________
>> >         |          PTE Page Table            |
>> >         --------------------------------------
>> >                           <-------><------->
>> >                             order-1  order-1
>> >
>> >mTHP collapses reject regions containing swapped out or shared pages.
>> >This is because adding new entries can lead to new none pages, and these
>> >may lead to constant promotion into a higher order mTHP. A similar
>> >issue can occur with "max_ptes_none > HPAGE_PMD_NR/2" due to a collapse
>> >introducing at least 2x the number of pages, and on a future scan will
>> >satisfy the promotion condition once again. This issue is prevented via
>> >the collapse_max_ptes_none() function which imposes the max_ptes_none
>> >restrictions above.
>> >
>> >We currently only support mTHP collapse for max_ptes_none values of 0
>> >and HPAGE_PMD_NR - 1. resulting in the following behavior:
>> >
>> >    - max_ptes_none=0: Never introduce new empty pages during collapse
>> >    - max_ptes_none=HPAGE_PMD_NR-1: Always try collapse to the highest
>> >      available mTHP order
>> >
>> >Any other max_ptes_none value will emit a warning and skip mTHP collapse
>> >attempts. There should be no behavior change for PMD collapse.
>> >
>> >Once we determine what mTHP sizes fits best in that PMD range a collapse
>> >is attempted. A minimum collapse order of 2 is used as this is the lowest
>> >order supported by anon memory as defined by THP_ORDERS_ALL_ANON.
>> >
>> >Currently madv_collapse is not supported and will only attempt PMD
>> >collapse.
>> >
>> >We can also remove the check for is_khugepaged inside the PMD scan as
>> >the collapse_max_ptes_none() function handles this logic now.
>> >
>> >Signed-off-by: Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> >+static int mthp_collapse(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long address,
>> >+              int referenced, int unmapped, struct collapse_control *cc,
>> >+              unsigned long enabled_orders)
>> >+{
>> >+      unsigned int nr_occupied_ptes, nr_ptes;
>> >+      int max_ptes_none, collapsed = 0, stack_size = 0;
>> >+      unsigned long collapse_address;
>> >+      struct mthp_range range;
>> >+      u16 offset;
>> >+      u8 order;
>> >+
>> >+      collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, 0, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
>> >+
>> >+      while (stack_size) {
>> >+              range = collapse_mthp_stack_pop(cc, &stack_size);
>> >+              order = range.order;
>> >+              offset = range.offset;
>> >+              nr_ptes = 1UL << order;
>> >+
>> >+              if (!test_bit(order, &enabled_orders))
>> >+                      goto next_order;
>> >+
>> >+              max_ptes_none = collapse_max_ptes_none(cc, NULL, order);
>>
>> I am thinking whether there is a behavioral change for userfaultfd_armed(vma).
>>
>> collapse_single_pmd()
>>     collapse_scan_pmd
>>         max_ptes_none = collapse_max_ptes_none(cc, vma)
>>         max_ptes_none = KHUGEPAGED_MAX_PTES_LIMIT                --- (1)
>>         mthp_collapse
>>             max_ptes_none = collapse_max_ptes_none(cc, NULL)     --- (2)
>>             collapse_huge_page(mm)
>>                 hugepage_vma_revalidate(&vma)
>>                 __collapse_huge_page_isolate(vma)
>>                     max_ptes_none = collapse_max_ptes_none(cc, vma)
>>
>> Before mthp_collapse() introduced, userfaultfd_armed(vma) is skipped if there
>> is any pte_none_or_zero() in collapse_scan_pmd().
>>
>> But now, max_ptes_none could be set to KHUGEPAGED_MAX_PTES_LIMIT at (1), so
>> that we can scan all the pte to get the bitmap. This means
>> userfaultfd_armed(vma) could continue even with pte_none_or_zero().
>>
>> Then in mthp_collapse(), collapse_max_ptes_none() at (2) ignores
>> userfaultfd_armed(vma), which means it will continue to collapse a
>> userfaultfd_armed(vma) when there is pte_none_or_zero().
>>
>> The good news is we will stop at __collapse_huge_page_isolate(), where we
>> get collapse_max_ptes_none() with vma. But we already did a lot of work.
>
>Good catch!
>
>As you stated we eventually ensure we respect the uffd checks. So
>there are no correctness issues, just the potential for wasted cycles.
>
>At (1) we only do this if mTHPs are enabled. If that is the case, the
>only waste that can arise is at the PMD order, as that order respects
>the max_ptes_none value.
>
>I think one approach is to gate (1) with the uffd check as well. That
>way, if mTHPs are enabled and its uffd-armed, max_ptes_none will stay
>at 0, and we bail early on the scan early if any none_ptes are hit.
>
>But then we lose the ability to collapse to mTHPs that are uffd-armed,
>where the PMD has none/zero-ptes and the mTHP fully has 0
>non-none/zero-ptes.
>
>ie) assume a PMD is 16 x's [xxxxxxxx00000000]
>where x is a populated pte and 0 is not
>If we guard this scan (1), then we will never check if its possible to
>collapse to the smaller orders.
>
>Let me know if you see a flaw in my logic, I think it's best to keep it as is?
>

Yes, gate it at (1) is not a proper place.

I am thinking whether we could pass vma to (2)? So that we could respect
uffd-armed?

>>
>> Not sure if I missed something.
>>
>> >+
>> >+              if (max_ptes_none < 0)
>> >+                      return collapsed;
>> >+
>> >+              nr_occupied_ptes = collapse_mthp_count_present(cc, offset,
>> >+                                                             nr_ptes);
>> >+
>> >+              if (nr_occupied_ptes >= nr_ptes - max_ptes_none) {
>> >+                      int ret;
>> >+
>> >+                      collapse_address = address + offset * PAGE_SIZE;
>> >+                      ret = collapse_huge_page(mm, collapse_address, referenced,
>> >+                                               unmapped, cc, order);
>> >+                      if (ret == SCAN_SUCCEED) {
>> >+                              collapsed += nr_ptes;
>> >+                              continue;
>> >+                      }
>> >+              }
>> >+
>> >+next_order:
>> >+              if (order > KHUGEPAGED_MIN_MTHP_ORDER) {
>> >+                      const u8 next_order = order - 1;
>> >+                      const u16 mid_offset = offset + (nr_ptes / 2);
>> >+
>> >+                      collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, mid_offset,
>> >+                                               next_order);
>> >+                      collapse_mthp_stack_push(cc, &stack_size, offset,
>> >+                                               next_order);
>> >+              }
>> >+      }
>> >+      return collapsed;
>> >+}
>> >+
>> > static enum scan_result collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
>> >               struct vm_area_struct *vma, unsigned long start_addr,
>> >               bool *lock_dropped, struct collapse_control *cc)
>> > {
>> >-      const int max_ptes_none = collapse_max_ptes_none(cc, vma, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
>> >+      int max_ptes_none = collapse_max_ptes_none(cc, vma, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
>> >       const unsigned int max_ptes_shared = collapse_max_ptes_shared(cc, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
>> >       const unsigned int max_ptes_swap = collapse_max_ptes_swap(cc, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
>> >+      enum tva_type tva_flags = cc->is_khugepaged ? TVA_KHUGEPAGED : TVA_FORCED_COLLAPSE;
>> >       pmd_t *pmd;
>> >-      pte_t *pte, *_pte;
>> >-      int none_or_zero = 0, shared = 0, referenced = 0;
>> >+      pte_t *pte, *_pte, pteval;
>> >+      int i;
>> >+      int none_or_zero = 0, shared = 0, nr_collapsed = 0, referenced = 0;
>> >       enum scan_result result = SCAN_FAIL;
>> >       struct page *page = NULL;
>> >       struct folio *folio = NULL;
>> >       unsigned long addr;
>> >+      unsigned long enabled_orders;
>> >       spinlock_t *ptl;
>> >       int node = NUMA_NO_NODE, unmapped = 0;
>> >
>> >@@ -1429,8 +1579,19 @@ static enum scan_result collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
>> >               goto out;
>> >       }
>> >
>> >+      bitmap_zero(cc->mthp_bitmap, MAX_PTRS_PER_PTE);
>> >       memset(cc->node_load, 0, sizeof(cc->node_load));
>> >       nodes_clear(cc->alloc_nmask);
>> >+
>> >+      enabled_orders = collapse_allowable_orders(vma, vma->vm_flags, tva_flags);
>>
>> Would it be 0 at this point?
>
>If your question relates to the issue you brought up above, then yes,
>max_ptes_none would be 0 if it's uffd-armed. We must recheck the
>uffd-armed status before modifying it to 511.
>
>>
>> >+
>> >+      /*
>> >+       * If PMD is the only enabled order, enforce max_ptes_none, otherwise
>> >+       * scan all pages to populate the bitmap for mTHP collapse.
>> >+       */
>> >+      if (enabled_orders != BIT(HPAGE_PMD_ORDER))
>> >+              max_ptes_none = KHUGEPAGED_MAX_PTES_LIMIT;
>> >+
>> >       pte = pte_offset_map_lock(mm, pmd, start_addr, &ptl);
>> >       if (!pte) {
>> >               cc->progress++;
>> >@@ -1438,11 +1599,13 @@ static enum scan_result collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
>> >               goto out;
>> >       }
>> >
>> >-      for (addr = start_addr, _pte = pte; _pte < pte + HPAGE_PMD_NR;
>> >-           _pte++, addr += PAGE_SIZE) {
>> >+      for (i = 0; i < HPAGE_PMD_NR; i++) {
>> >+              _pte = pte + i;
>> >+              addr = start_addr + i * PAGE_SIZE;
>> >+              pteval = ptep_get(_pte);
>> >+
>> >               cc->progress++;
>> >
>> >-              pte_t pteval = ptep_get(_pte);
>> >               if (pte_none_or_zero(pteval)) {
>> >                       if (++none_or_zero > max_ptes_none) {
>> >                               result = SCAN_EXCEED_NONE_PTE;
>> >@@ -1522,6 +1685,8 @@ static enum scan_result collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
>> >                       }
>> >               }
>> >
>> >+              /* Set bit for occupied pages */
>> >+              __set_bit(i, cc->mthp_bitmap);
>> >               /*
>> >                * Record which node the original page is from and save this
>> >                * information to cc->node_load[].
>> >@@ -1580,10 +1745,11 @@ static enum scan_result collapse_scan_pmd(struct mm_struct *mm,
>> >       if (result == SCAN_SUCCEED) {
>> >               /* collapse_huge_page expects the lock to be dropped before calling */
>> >               mmap_read_unlock(mm);
>> >-              result = collapse_huge_page(mm, start_addr, referenced,
>> >-                                          unmapped, cc, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
>> >+              nr_collapsed = mthp_collapse(mm, start_addr, referenced, unmapped,
>> >+                                            cc, enabled_orders);
>> >               /* collapse_huge_page will return with the mmap_lock released */
>>
>> collapse_huge_page will return with mmap_lock released, but mthp_collapse()
>> may not?
>
>We are now releasing the lock before calling mthp_collapse, which
>subsequently calls collapse_huge_page. Even if `collapse_huge_page` is
>never called-- say, because enabled_orders is 0 (which should not
>happen) and all collapse orders are skipped (never calling
>collapse_huge_page)-- we still return here with the lock dropped.
>
>I think this is sound. Let me know if you think differently.
>

You are right. I missed the lock is released in previous patch.

>Cheers :)
>-- Nico
>
>>
>> >               *lock_dropped = true;
>> >+              result = nr_collapsed ? SCAN_SUCCEED : SCAN_FAIL;
>> >       }
>> > out:
>> >       trace_mm_khugepaged_scan_pmd(mm, folio, referenced,
>> >--
>> >2.54.0
>>
>> --
>> Wei Yang
>> Help you, Help me
>>

-- 
Wei Yang
Help you, Help me

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-21  1:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-11 18:58 [PATCH mm-unstable v17 00/14] khugepaged: mTHP support Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 01/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate for " Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 02/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize alloc_charge_folio() Nico Pache
2026-05-18 11:55   ` Usama Arif
2026-05-18 14:49     ` Lance Yang
2026-05-19 19:03       ` Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 03/14] mm/khugepaged: rework max_ptes_* handling with helper functions Nico Pache
2026-05-12  4:44   ` Lance Yang
2026-05-19 18:21     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-12  7:29   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-19 18:21     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-20 14:43       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 04/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize __collapse_huge_page_* for mTHP support Nico Pache
2026-05-12  7:42   ` Lance Yang
2026-05-14  3:10     ` Wei Yang
2026-05-18 13:16       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-18 19:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 19:05           ` Nico Pache
2026-05-21 14:59             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-18 13:49   ` Usama Arif
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 05/14] mm/khugepaged: require collapse_huge_page to enter/exit with the lock dropped Nico Pache
2026-05-12  7:42   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 06/14] mm/khugepaged: generalize collapse_huge_page for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2026-05-18 17:00   ` Usama Arif
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 07/14] mm/khugepaged: skip collapsing mTHP to smaller orders Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 08/14] mm/khugepaged: add per-order mTHP collapse failure statistics Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 09/14] mm/khugepaged: improve tracepoints for mTHP orders Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 10/14] mm/khugepaged: introduce collapse_allowable_orders helper function Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 11/14] mm/khugepaged: Introduce mTHP collapse support Nico Pache
2026-05-12 15:44   ` Wei Yang
2026-05-20 12:05     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-21  1:55       ` Wei Yang [this message]
2026-05-25 13:08         ` Nico Pache
2026-05-21  2:36   ` Vernon Yang
2026-05-21  2:46     ` Wei Yang
2026-05-21  5:11       ` Vernon Yang
2026-05-21 14:32         ` Wei Yang
2026-05-22 12:39     ` Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 12/14] mm/khugepaged: avoid unnecessary mTHP collapse attempts Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 13/14] mm/khugepaged: run khugepaged for all orders Nico Pache
2026-05-11 18:58 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 14/14] Documentation: mm: update the admin guide for mTHP collapse Nico Pache
2026-05-11 21:04 ` [PATCH mm-unstable v17 00/14] khugepaged: mTHP support Andrew Morton
2026-05-18 12:50 ` Wei Yang
2026-05-19 19:20   ` Nico Pache

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