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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: LiaoYuanhong-vivo <liaoyuanhong@vivo.com>
Cc: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>, Chao Yu <chao@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	"open list:F2FS FILE SYSTEM"
	<linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:FSCRYPT: FILE SYSTEM LEVEL ENCRYPTION SUPPORT"
	<linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] f2fs: support encrypted inline data
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2026 12:37:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260615193728.GA1764@quark> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260615125517.362294-1-liaoyuanhong@vivo.com>

[+Cc linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 08:55:12PM +0800, LiaoYuanhong-vivo wrote:
> F2FS currently disables inline data for encrypted regular files because the
> inline payload is stored in the inode block and does not go through the
> regular bio-based fscrypt path.  This wastes space for small encrypted
> files on Android devices using F2FS inlinecrypt.
> 
> This series adds an encrypted_inline_data on-disk feature for F2FS.
> With this feature enabled, encrypted regular files may keep small contents
> in the inode block.  The inline payload is encrypted before being stored in
> the inode and decrypted back into page-cache plaintext on read.
> 
> The fscrypt changes are scoped to filesystem-managed data-unit crypto.
> F2FS first asks fscrypt whether the inode's key/policy supports this path.
> It prepares the software transform only when encrypted inline payloads are
> read or written.  Inlinecrypt support is limited to v2 IV_INO_LBLK_64 and
> IV_INO_LBLK_32 policies, including the hardware-wrapped key configurations
> supported by fscrypt.  Per-file inlinecrypt keys and DIRECT_KEY policies
> are not supported for encrypted inline data.

I still think we should hold off on this, for the reasons I gave at
https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260515184124.GA4903@quark/

As soon as you start using hardware-wrapped keys this will become
irrelevant, as it can't be used in that case.  I see you added "support"
for that case anyway by deriving contents encryption keys from the
sw_secret.  But that bypasses the security model, which isn't okay.

I'm also working to simplify ext4 and f2fs's file contents encryption
implementation by standardizing on blk-crypto.  That aligns well with
what btrfs encryption is going to do as well.  So this isn't a great
time to be making f2fs's file contents encryption implementation even
more complex by going in a different direction.

If there was demand for this feature from the ext4 side for
general-purpose Linux distros as well, that would make it a bit more
appealing, as it would show broader demand.  But with the proposal being
f2fs-specific and effectively just for Android devices that *don't* use
wrapped keys, that feels too narrow for the added complexity.

This proposal also lacks test cases in xfstests and/or Android's
vts_kernel_encryption_test that verify that the inline data is actually
being encrypted correctly.  Those tests are essential, and we *must not*
add new file contents encryption implementations without such tests.

- Eric

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-15 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-15 12:55 [PATCH v3 0/3] f2fs: support encrypted inline data LiaoYuanhong-vivo
2026-06-15 12:55 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Documentation: f2fs: document " LiaoYuanhong-vivo
2026-06-15 19:37 ` Eric Biggers [this message]

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