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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 11:10:11 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260702081011.GH3433808@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1f29f48d-b9ff-4de2-a392-dc05781728be@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 09:46:37AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 7/2/26 09:27, Christian Brauner wrote:
> >> What would be much more relevant to know is to which degree LLMs were used.
> >>
> >> Assisted-by: LLM # translate commit message
> >> Assisted-by: LLM # generate some test cases
> >> Assisted-by: LLM # cleanup logic
> >> Assisted-by: LLM # everything and I have no clue what any in here does
> > 
> > I think we should just drop any attribution as a general kernel-wide
> > rule and let subsystems require them as needed. Then you can have all
> > the complexity in mm for this that you think is needed for your
> > workflow to function. This is precisely what the subsystem profiles are
> > for. So maybe just add:
> > 
> > Documentation/process/maintainer-mm.rst
> > 
> > alongside
> > 
> > Documentation/process/maintainer-{tip,netdev,x86}.rst
> > 
> > and lay down the rules that you require for LLM based submissions in
> > whatever detail you need.
> 
> I'm not really sure if having (more?) subsystem-specific tags is the way to go.
> (below)
> 
> So either we find a very simple, kernel-wide rule for such tags, or we drop them
> entirely.
> 
> > 
> > I don't see how this additional commentary you want would ever be
> > enforced consistently across the kernel or who would even enforce it. I
> > don't need more beaurocracy to chase after people in my subsystems tbh.
> 
> That's certainly a good thing to discuss. (below)
> 
> > 
> > The other thing is that I think this Assisted-by annotation is just
> > noise in the changelog. If you want to know in detail what an LLM was
> > used for when generating the patch it's mostly a signal for how
> > "intense" of a review this will get afaict (already questionable imho
> > but sure that's just something to disagree on).
> 
> I'd be happy to just have such information in the cover letter. Without any
> tags. Having subsystem-specific rules on the disclosure on that might be more
> reasonable.
> 
> I agree on the "enforce" aspect. It's impossible, but it's still easy to catch
> people using AI irresponsibly today ... and that's what we care about. Not
> people that know what they are doing using AI responsibly.

I have to reply to the "responsible" part: there's no possible ethical
use of generative AI in FOSS development today.

> > If the information is mostly useful during review then I still would
> > question why it has to end up in our git logs. It's completely
> > irrelevant information imho.
> 
> Fully agreed. In the tree it's irrelevant.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-02  8:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 15:54 [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-02  7:10   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-01 16:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:11   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:51   ` David Disseldorp
2026-07-01 16:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:27   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  8:10       ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-02  8:16         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 10:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  8:08     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:28       ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-01 18:35 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-01 18:53   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-02  7:29     ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:28   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  8:12 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  8:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-02  9:09     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  9:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:38     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  9:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 10:34     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 10:27 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski

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