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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Cc: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 12:38:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260702093844.GA3491311@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a17b9a17-0ca7-4912-836d-4637cd0110f7@kernel.org>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:44:34AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 7/2/26 10:12, Jori Koolstra wrote:
> > Ah, I still reigniting this discussion again :)
> > 
> > What about a combination of what David and Jeff say? The whole point
> > seems to me that the salient information is not that an LLM was used (or
> > are we going to tag Sashiko as well or any other LLM-based code review
> > tool?), but what is was used to do. This information may be relevant for
> > how the review is approached. The latter should perhaps only be in the
> > cover letter and then we can drop the assisted-by tags altogether.
> > 
> > The question about enforcement remains.
> 
> It's not possible to enforce it. People can deny it if the tag is missing
> and you confront them and even though the submission has many signs of being
> obviously LLM, there is no definite proof. We've seen (likely, as there's no
> proof!) that happen in mm.
> 
> Such situation then penalizes those who disclose so obviously they won't.

I think there's also a penality for those who don't disclose when
they're told they should: it will lower trust. Kernel development is
largely based on a trust model. If a contributor decides to adopt a
deceiptful behaviour, they can expect maintainers to raise the bar for
accepting patches, when not rejecting them outright.

I can't quantifying which of the penalities will be higher, but I hope
(call me naive if you wish) that the vast majority of contributurs who
*know* we require disclosure to abide by that rule, even if it incurs a
penalty. After all, proponents for LLM usage claim such performance
improvements that a small penalty during review can't be that bad, right
? :-)

> We
> should drop the tag and instead think how we can empower maintainers to be
> able to use their own judgment and deprioritize dealing with what they
> perceive as LLM slop, without fearing consequences of not being properly
> responsible etc, and not rely on any non-enforceable tags for that.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-02  9:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 15:54 [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-02  7:10   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-01 16:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:11   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:51   ` David Disseldorp
2026-07-01 16:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:27   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  8:10       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:16         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 10:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  8:08     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:28       ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-01 18:35 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-01 18:53   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-02  7:29     ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:28   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  8:12 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  8:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-02  9:09     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  9:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:38     ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-02  9:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 10:34     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 10:27 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski

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