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From: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
To: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	corbet@lwn.net
Cc: glider@google.com, andreyknvl@gmail.com, dvyukov@google.com,
	vincenzo.frascino@arm.com, kasan-dev@googlegroups.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	skhan@linuxfoundation.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, anshuman.khandual@arm.com,
	kaleshsingh@google.com, 21cnbao@gmail.com, david@kernel.org,
	will@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] kasan: hw_tags: Add option to tag only at allocation time
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2026 23:05:43 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a7d21fa-28c1-446c-97f5-2513f29157d3@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1502a60-09a1-4699-886b-93d041de7023@kernel.org>



On 6/18/26 10:35 PM, Harry Yoo wrote:
> 
> Hi Dev,
> 
> On 6/12/26 1:44 PM, Dev Jain wrote:
>> Introduce a boot option to tag only at allocation time of the objects. This
>> reduces KASAN MTE overhead, the tradeoff being reduced ability of
>> catching bugs.
> 
> I think most of overhead when enabling MTE comes from loading and
> validing tags for every memory access (either in SYNC or ASYNC mode),
> rather than from storing tags.

Is there any reason not to use STGM instead of STG + DC GVA when
setting/clearing tags for large sizes when we know they are properly
aligned?

>> Now, when a memory object will be freed, it will retain the random tag it
>> had at allocation time. This compromises on catching UAF bugs, till the
>> time the object is not reallocated, at which point it will have a new
>> random tag.
>>
>> Hence, not catching "use-after-free-before-reallocation" and not catching
>> "double-free" will be the compromise for reduced KASAN overhead.
> 
> I doubt users who care about security enough to enable HW_TAGS KASAN
> are willing to compromise on security just to save a few instructions
> to store tags in the free path.
> 
> To me, it looks like too much of a compromise on security for little
> performance gain.
> 
>> This is an RFC because we are not clear about the performance benefit.
>>
>> Android folks, please help with testing!
>>
>> ---
>> Applies on Linus master (9716c086c8e8).
>>
>> Dev Jain (2):
>>   kasan: hw_tags: Use KASAN_PAGE_REDZONE for vmalloc redzoning
>>   kasan: hw_tags: Add boot option to elide free time poisoning
>>
>>  Documentation/dev-tools/kasan.rst |  4 +++
>>  mm/kasan/hw_tags.c                | 45 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
>>  mm/kasan/kasan.h                  | 23 +++++++++++++++-
>>  3 files changed, 69 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>
> 

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-18 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-12  4:44 [RFC PATCH 0/2] kasan: hw_tags: Add option to tag only at allocation time Dev Jain
2026-06-12  4:44 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] kasan: hw_tags: Use KASAN_PAGE_REDZONE for vmalloc redzoning Dev Jain
2026-06-12  4:44 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] kasan: hw_tags: Add boot option to elide free time poisoning Dev Jain
2026-06-13  0:23   ` Isaac Manjarres
2026-06-13  0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] kasan: hw_tags: Add option to tag only at allocation time Isaac Manjarres
2026-06-18 13:35 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-18 14:05   ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-06-18 13:48 ` Ryan Roberts

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