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From: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 09/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow retrieving tmpfs files with O_RDONLY
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2026 15:11:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2vxzse1ehwxa.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auuzKNZsPD10XM4q@google.com> (David Matlack's message of "Wed, 4 Nov 2026 22:35:20 +0000")

On Wed, Nov 04 2026, David Matlack wrote:

> On 2026-11-04 02:45 PM, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
>> On 11-04 17:52, Pratyush Yadav wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 03 2026, David Matlack wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > 
>> > Can't you put all your binaries in a separate session, retrieve it as
>> > the very first thing, and then finish the session? Then you can execute
>> > those and retrieve all the other sessions.
>> 
>> This is a good workaround. I am not opposed to this patch for 
>> completeness of functionality, but if we decide to keep it, perhaps it 
>> should simply be squashed into an earlier patch. The current diffstat
>> looks bad, as it mostly deletes code that was introduced earlier in this 
>> series.
>> 
>> In any case, given Pratyush's suggestion, we could also drop it.
>> 
>> > 
>> > Why do we need to support this in the kernel?
>
> That would work for binaries, and I agree that use case alone doesn't
> justify this. But I see O_RDONLY as part of the retrieve interface, not
> a feature for one use case. The retrieve argument is modeled on
> openat(), and openat() lets you open an existing file read-only.
>
> open(O_TMPFILE) only requires write access because it creates an empty
> file, and an empty read-only file is useless. A retrieved file isn't
> empty, it has the preserved contents, so O_RDONLY makes as much sense as
> it does for any other existing file. Without it, every retrieved file is
> writable, even when userspace only needs to read it.
>
> Preserve already works the same way: a file can be preserved through a
> read-only fd, as long as the caller has permission to write to it.
>
> If we keep it, I'll squash it into patch 7 in v4, so retrieve supports
> O_RDONLY from the start. The commit message will lead with the openat()
> reasoning and keep binaries as just an example.

I'm guessing this all goes away after you do Christian's suggestion? I
don't think we should be retrieving anything into a file that userspace
has opened O_RDONLY. Retrieval is in effect a write operation. So
userspace _has_ to retrieve a file and reopen it O_RDONLY after
finishing the session.

-- 
Regards,
Pratyush Yadav

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-06 14:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-03  1:02 [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] liveupdate: Pass user argument to file preserve and retrieve David Matlack
2026-11-04 13:17   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] selftests: liveupdate: Add tests for preserve and retrieve user argument David Matlack
2026-11-04 13:26   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] liveupdate: Allow file handlers to mark retrieve failures as retryable David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:12   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 16:15     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] mm: Rename memfd_luo to shmem_luo David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:25   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] liveupdate: Don't WARN if tracking a retrieved file fails David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:32   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/shmem_luo: Don't make early retrieve failures permanent David Matlack
2026-11-04 15:01   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:28     ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:14       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] mm/shmem_luo: Retrieve tmpfs files onto a tmpfs mount chosen by userspace David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:27   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:30     ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:20       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow preserving tmpfs files that are still linked David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:45   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:32     ` David Matlack
2026-11-04 23:38     ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow retrieving tmpfs files with O_RDONLY David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:52   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:45     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:35       ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:11         ` Pratyush Yadav [this message]
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/liveupdate: Add a test for preserving tmpfs files David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:59   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:37     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:42       ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:19         ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update Christian Brauner
2026-11-05 16:52   ` David Matlack

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