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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan 
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan 
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Wander Lairson Costa" <wander@redhat.com>,
	Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
	Chong Cai <chongc@google.com>, Qinkun Bao <qinkun@apache.org>,
	Guorui Yu <GuoRui.Yu@linux.alibaba.com>,
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	<gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>, <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 0/3] TDX Guest Quote generation support
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 13:21:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6498a1bdc1db9_1dff294b2@dwillia2-mobl3.amr.corp.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <64966b842becf_142af8294a5@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>

Dan Williams wrote:
> Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > In TDX guest, the attestation process is used to verify the TDX guest
> > trustworthiness to other entities before provisioning secrets to the
> > guest.
> > 
> > The TDX guest attestation process consists of two steps:
> > 
> > 1. TDREPORT generation
> > 2. Quote generation.
> > 
> > The First step (TDREPORT generation) involves getting the TDX guest
> > measurement data in the format of TDREPORT which is further used to
> > validate the authenticity of the TDX guest. The second step involves
> > sending the TDREPORT to a Quoting Enclave (QE) server to generate a
> > remotely verifiable Quote. TDREPORT by design can only be verified on
> > the local platform. To support remote verification of the TDREPORT,
> > TDX leverages Intel SGX Quoting Enclave to verify the TDREPORT
> > locally and convert it to a remotely verifiable Quote. Although
> > attestation software can use communication methods like TCP/IP or
> > vsock to send the TDREPORT to QE, not all platforms support these
> > communication models. So TDX GHCI specification [1] defines a method
> > for Quote generation via hypercalls. Please check the discussion from
> > Google [2] and Alibaba [3] which clarifies the need for hypercall based
> > Quote generation support. This patch set adds this support.
> > 
> > Support for TDREPORT generation already exists in the TDX guest driver. 
> > This patchset extends the same driver to add the Quote generation
> > support.
> 
> I missed that the TDREPORT ioctl() and this character device are already
> upstream. The TDREPORT ioctl() if it is only needed for quote generation
> seems a waste because it just retrieves a blob that needs to be turned
> around and injected back into the kernel to generate a quote.
> 
> An ABI wants to care about the abstractions around what the hardware
> mechanism enables. The TD quote is not even at the end of that chain of
> what the ABI needs to offer. The guest wants to use the TD quote to access
> / unlock other resources, just like the SEV report is used to
> "...provide the VM with secrets, such as a disk decryption key, or other
> keys required for operation".
> 
> That's where the ABI line needs to be drawn. I.e. for the guest to be
> able to request the distributions of keys to unlock resources by a
> key-type and key-descriptor. Enable userspace to interrogate an
> attestation object without blobs needing to traverse the kernel. If the
> remote service needs more than just a blob and signature to validate the
> state of the guest then provide faclity to interrogate that property of
> quote / report in a common way versus the ABI risk of conveying vendor
> specific binary data formats in the kernel ABI.

A proposal for how this space moves forward:

1/ Stop accepting new arch specific ioctls in this space and revert the
   Intel TDREPORT ioctl if its only reason for existing is "quote"
   generation.

2/ Define a container format / envelope for platform-provided
   attestation evidence.

   The observation here is that although it is too late to unify the
   evidence formats across vendors, they appear to share the common form of
   a blob with an ECDSA signature. That reduces the minimum viable
   attestation service to something that can generically verify an
   evidence-blob signature.

3/ Define a key-description format that considers a superset of the
   platform needs. For example a 'privelege-level' concept can map to
   'vmpl' on AMD, but be ignored for now for Intel.

4/ For in progress enabling concepts like runtime measurement registers,
   look to reuse / abstract that behind the Keys subsystem existing support
   for managing TPM PCRs.

5/ Deprecate the multiple arch specific attestation ioctl interfaces in
   favor of this unified conveyance method.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-25 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-14  7:23 [PATCH v3 0/3] TDX Guest Quote generation support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-05-14  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] x86/tdx: Add TDX Guest event notify interrupt support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-06-12 12:49   ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-23 20:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-14  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] virt: tdx-guest: Add Quote generation support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-06-12 12:50   ` Huang, Kai
2023-05-14  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] selftests/tdx: Test GetQuote TDX attestation feature Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-06-12 19:03   ` Dan Williams
2023-06-19  5:38     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-22 23:31     ` Erdem Aktas
2023-06-22 23:44       ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-23 22:31         ` Dan Williams
2023-06-23 22:27     ` Dan Williams
2023-06-26  3:05       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-26 18:57         ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-06-27  0:39           ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-28 15:41             ` Samuel Ortiz
2023-06-28 15:55               ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-28  0:11           ` Dan Williams
2023-06-28  1:36             ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-06-28  2:16               ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28  6:46                 ` gregkh
2023-06-28  8:56                   ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28  9:02                     ` gregkh
2023-06-28  9:45                       ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28  2:52               ` Dan Williams
2023-06-29 16:25                 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-06-28 15:31               ` Samuel Ortiz
2023-06-28 15:24             ` Samuel Ortiz
2023-06-27 23:44         ` Dan Williams
2023-06-28  2:47       ` Huang, Kai
     [not found]     ` <CAAYXXYyK4g9k7a78CU9w6Sn9KTBdoNLOu9gcgrSHJfp+3-tO=w@mail.gmail.com>
2023-06-23 22:49       ` Dan Williams
2023-08-23  8:25       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-24 21:33 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] TDX Guest Quote generation support Chong Cai
2023-05-25 22:55   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-24  4:05 ` Dan Williams
2023-06-25 20:21   ` Dan Williams [this message]
2023-06-26  3:07   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-26  4:31     ` Dan Williams
2023-06-27  7:50       ` Chong Cai
2023-08-23  7:33         ` Thomas Gleixner

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