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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy 
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"Wander Lairson Costa" <wander@redhat.com>,
	Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
	Chong Cai <chongc@google.com>, Qinkun Bao <qinkun@apache.org>,
	Guorui Yu <GuoRui.Yu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Du Fan" <fan.du@intel.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] TDX Guest Quote generation support
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 21:31:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <649914ab3de4d_8e17829490@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cdd04046-4bcb-d6fd-1688-0a85546e7b91@linux.intel.com>

Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/23/23 9:05 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> > Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> In TDX guest, the attestation process is used to verify the TDX guest
> >> trustworthiness to other entities before provisioning secrets to the
> >> guest.
> >>
> >> The TDX guest attestation process consists of two steps:
> >>
> >> 1. TDREPORT generation
> >> 2. Quote generation.
> >>
> >> The First step (TDREPORT generation) involves getting the TDX guest
> >> measurement data in the format of TDREPORT which is further used to
> >> validate the authenticity of the TDX guest. The second step involves
> >> sending the TDREPORT to a Quoting Enclave (QE) server to generate a
> >> remotely verifiable Quote. TDREPORT by design can only be verified on
> >> the local platform. To support remote verification of the TDREPORT,
> >> TDX leverages Intel SGX Quoting Enclave to verify the TDREPORT
> >> locally and convert it to a remotely verifiable Quote. Although
> >> attestation software can use communication methods like TCP/IP or
> >> vsock to send the TDREPORT to QE, not all platforms support these
> >> communication models. So TDX GHCI specification [1] defines a method
> >> for Quote generation via hypercalls. Please check the discussion from
> >> Google [2] and Alibaba [3] which clarifies the need for hypercall based
> >> Quote generation support. This patch set adds this support.
> >>
> >> Support for TDREPORT generation already exists in the TDX guest driver. 
> >> This patchset extends the same driver to add the Quote generation
> >> support.
> > 
> > I missed that the TDREPORT ioctl() and this character device are already
> > upstream. The TDREPORT ioctl() if it is only needed for quote generation
> > seems a waste because it just retrieves a blob that needs to be turned
> > around and injected back into the kernel to generate a quote.
> 
> Although the end goal is to generate the quote, the method the user chooses to
> achieve it may differ for a variety of reasons. In this case, we're trying to
> support the use case where the user will use methods like TCP/IP or vsock to
> generate the Quote. They can use the GET_REPORT IOCTL to get the TDREPORT and
> send it to the quoting enclave via the above-mentioned methods.  TDVMCALL-based
> quote generation is intended for users who, for a variety of security reasons, do
> not wish to use the methods described above.

This flexibility could be supported with keys if necessary, although I
would want to hear strong reasons not a "variety of reasons" why
everyone cannot use a unified approach. ABI proliferation has a
maintenance cost and a collaboration cost. It is within the kernel
community's right to judge the cost of ABI flexibility and opt for a
constrained implementation if that cost is too high.

What I would ask of those who absolutely cannot support the TDVMCALL
method is to contribute a solution that intercepts the "upcall" to the
platform "guest_attest_ops" and turn it into a typical keys upcall to
userspace that can use the report data with a vsock tunnel.

That way the end result is still the same, a key established with the
TDX Quote evidence contained within a Linux-defined envelope.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-26  4:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-14  7:23 [PATCH v3 0/3] TDX Guest Quote generation support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-05-14  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] x86/tdx: Add TDX Guest event notify interrupt support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-06-12 12:49   ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-23 20:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-14  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] virt: tdx-guest: Add Quote generation support Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-06-12 12:50   ` Huang, Kai
2023-05-14  7:23 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] selftests/tdx: Test GetQuote TDX attestation feature Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
2023-06-12 19:03   ` Dan Williams
2023-06-19  5:38     ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-22 23:31     ` Erdem Aktas
2023-06-22 23:44       ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-23 22:31         ` Dan Williams
2023-06-23 22:27     ` Dan Williams
2023-06-26  3:05       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-26 18:57         ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-06-27  0:39           ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-28 15:41             ` Samuel Ortiz
2023-06-28 15:55               ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-28  0:11           ` Dan Williams
2023-06-28  1:36             ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-06-28  2:16               ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28  6:46                 ` gregkh
2023-06-28  8:56                   ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28  9:02                     ` gregkh
2023-06-28  9:45                       ` Huang, Kai
2023-06-28  2:52               ` Dan Williams
2023-06-29 16:25                 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2023-06-28 15:31               ` Samuel Ortiz
2023-06-28 15:24             ` Samuel Ortiz
2023-06-27 23:44         ` Dan Williams
2023-06-28  2:47       ` Huang, Kai
     [not found]     ` <CAAYXXYyK4g9k7a78CU9w6Sn9KTBdoNLOu9gcgrSHJfp+3-tO=w@mail.gmail.com>
2023-06-23 22:49       ` Dan Williams
2023-08-23  8:25       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-24 21:33 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] TDX Guest Quote generation support Chong Cai
2023-05-25 22:55   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-24  4:05 ` Dan Williams
2023-06-25 20:21   ` Dan Williams
2023-06-26  3:07   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2023-06-26  4:31     ` Dan Williams [this message]
2023-06-27  7:50       ` Chong Cai
2023-08-23  7:33         ` Thomas Gleixner

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