From: <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Tzung-Bi Shih <tzungbi@kernel.org>,
"Bartosz Golaszewski" <bartosz.golaszewski@linaro.org>,
Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
Benson Leung <bleung@chromium.org>,
"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
Dawid Niedzwiecki <dawidn@google.com>,
<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<chrome-platform@lists.linux.dev>,
<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
"Wolfram Sang" <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] platform/chrome: Fix a possible UAF via revocable
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2025 15:43:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <68d1d0fc5ef09_1c79100e@dwillia2-mobl4.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250913161717.GE4842@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>
Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 06:22:48PM +0200, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > On 9/12/25 4:54 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 04:44:56PM +0200, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 4:40 PM Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > >>> Either way, I think this patch series stands on its own, it doesn't
> > >>> require cdev to implement it, drivers can use it to wrap a cdev if they
> > >>> want to. We have other structures that want to do this type of thing
> > >>> today as is proof with the rust implementation for the devm api.
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, I'm not against this going upstream. If more development is
> > >> needed for this to be usable in other parts of the kernel, that can be
> > >> done gradually. Literally no subsystem ever was perfect on day 1.
> > >
> > > To be clear, I'm not against the API being merged for the use cases that
> > > would benefit from it, but I don't want to see drivers using it to
> > > protect from the cdev/unregistration race.
> >
> > I mean, revocable is really a synchronization primitive in the end that
> > "revokes" access to some resource in a race free way.
> >
> > So, technically, it probably belongs into lib/.
> >
> > I think the reason it ended up in drivers/base/ is that one common use case is
> > to revoke a device resource from a driver when the device is unbound from this
> > driver; or in other words devres is an obvious user.
> >
> > So, I think that any other API (cdev, devres, etc.) should be built on top of it.
>
> No issue with that. I'm sure there are people who have better knowledge
> than me when it comes to implementing the low-level primitive in the
> most efficient way. What I have lots of experience with is the impact of
> API design on drivers, and the API misuse (including through cargo-cult
> programming) this can generate. Let's design the API towards drivers
> correctly.
Note that I dropped the "managed_fops" [1] effort, targeted for use for
CXL, in favor of simply this in the CXL ioctl device shutdown path:
cdev_device_del(&cxlmd->cdev, &cxlmd->dev);
scoped_guard(rwsem_write, &cxl_memdev_rwsem)
cxlmd->cxlds = NULL;
put_device(&cxlmd->dev);
Pair that with:
guard(rwsem_read)(&cxl_memdev_rwsem);
cxlds = cxlmd->cxlds;
if (cxlds)
return __cxl_memdev_ioctl(cxlmd, cmd, arg);
return -ENXIO;
...on the ioctl invocation side.
This "revocable" mechanism looks useful for other inter-driver resource
sharing, but not for the well known issues with cdev. For cdev and the
design pattern of "shutdown the ioctl path on a core-subsystem device
object that is also a chardev", just use cdev_device_add() with an
rwsem.
[1]: http://lore.kernel.org/all/CAPcyv4h74NjqcuUjv4zFKHAxio_bV0bngLoxP=ACw=JvMfq-UA@mail.gmail.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-22 22:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-12 8:17 [PATCH v3 0/5] platform/chrome: Fix a possible UAF via revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] revocable: Revocable resource management Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 9:05 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-13 15:56 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 13:27 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-13 15:56 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-17 5:24 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-22 18:35 ` Simona Vetter
2025-09-12 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] revocable: Add Kunit test cases Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] selftests: revocable: Add kselftest cases Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] platform/chrome: Protect cros_ec_device lifecycle with revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 8:17 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] platform/chrome: cros_ec_chardev: Consume cros_ec_device via revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 8:30 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] platform/chrome: Fix a possible UAF " Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 8:34 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-12 9:20 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 9:09 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-09-12 9:24 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-09-12 12:49 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 13:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 13:39 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 13:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 13:46 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-09-12 13:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 14:19 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 14:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 14:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 14:44 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-09-12 14:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 16:22 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-13 16:17 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-22 22:43 ` dan.j.williams [this message]
2025-09-13 15:55 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-13 16:14 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-23 8:20 ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 14:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-22 15:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 15:55 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-22 17:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 18:42 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-22 20:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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