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From: Tzung-Bi Shih <tzungbi@kernel.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Bartosz Golaszewski <bartosz.golaszewski@linaro.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Benson Leung <bleung@chromium.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Dawid Niedzwiecki <dawidn@google.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chrome-platform@lists.linux.dev, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Wolfram Sang <wsa+renesas@sang-engineering.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] platform/chrome: Fix a possible UAF via revocable
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2025 23:55:45 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMWUAS9jReia0jhy@tzungbi-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250912145416.GL31682@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>

On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 05:54:16PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 04:44:56PM +0200, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 4:40 PM Greg Kroah-Hartman
> > <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan's proposal here is a good start, but the "sleep in cdev_del() until
> > > the device drains all existing opens" is going to not really work well
> > > for what we want.
> > >
> > > So sure, make a new cdev api to use this, that's fine, then we will have
> > > what, 5 different ways to use a cdev?  :)
> > >
> > > Seriously, that would be good, then we can work to convert things over,
> > > but I think overall it will look much the same as what patch 5/5 does
> > > here.  But details matter, I don't really known for sure...
> > >
> > > Either way, I think this patch series stands on its own, it doesn't
> > > require cdev to implement it, drivers can use it to wrap a cdev if they
> > > want to.  We have other structures that want to do this type of thing
> > > today as is proof with the rust implementation for the devm api.
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm not against this going upstream. If more development is
> > needed for this to be usable in other parts of the kernel, that can be
> > done gradually. Literally no subsystem ever was perfect on day 1.
> 
> To be clear, I'm not against the API being merged for the use cases that
> would benefit from it, but I don't want to see drivers using it to
> protect from the cdev/unregistration race.

Based on the discussion thread, my main takeaways are:

- Current `revocable` is considered a low level API.  We shouldn't (and
  likely can't) stop drivers, like the one in patch 5/5 in the series,
  from using it directly to fix UAFs.

- Subsystems (like cdev) should build on this API to provide an easier
  interface for their drivers to manage revocable resources.

I'll create a PoC based on this.

> > Tzung-Bi: I'm not sure if you did submit anything but I'd love to see
> > this discussed during Linux Plumbers in Tokyo, it's the perfect fit
> > for the kernel summit.

Yes, and I just realized that in addition to the website submission, a
separate email is also required (or at least encouraged).  I've just sent
that email and am hoping it's not too late.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-13 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-12  8:17 [PATCH v3 0/5] platform/chrome: Fix a possible UAF via revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12  8:17 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] revocable: Revocable resource management Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12  9:05   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-13 15:56     ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 13:27   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-09-13 15:56     ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-17  5:24   ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-22 18:35   ` Simona Vetter
2025-09-12  8:17 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] revocable: Add Kunit test cases Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12  8:17 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] selftests: revocable: Add kselftest cases Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12  8:17 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] platform/chrome: Protect cros_ec_device lifecycle with revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12  8:17 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] platform/chrome: cros_ec_chardev: Consume cros_ec_device via revocable Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12  8:30 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] platform/chrome: Fix a possible UAF " Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12  8:34   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-12  9:20   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12  9:09 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-09-12  9:24   ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-09-12 12:49     ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 13:26       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 13:39         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 13:45           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 13:46           ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-09-12 13:59             ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 14:19               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 14:26                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 14:40                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-12 14:44                     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2025-09-12 14:54                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-12 16:22                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-13 16:17                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-22 22:43                             ` dan.j.williams
2025-09-13 15:55                         ` Tzung-Bi Shih [this message]
2025-09-13 16:14                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-23  8:20                             ` Tzung-Bi Shih
2025-09-12 14:53                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-09-22 15:10                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 15:55                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-09-22 17:40                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-22 18:42                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-09-22 20:17                           ` Jason Gunthorpe

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