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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
Cc: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>, Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 akpm@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	mhocko@kernel.org,  mkoutny@suse.com, chengming.zhou@linux.dev,
	muchun.song@linux.dev,  roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm/zswap: Make shrink_worker writeback cursor per-memcg
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2026 09:40:41 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aiw2JB1lZV9xuNSp@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <airypNnKrJJ54k_0@google.com>

On Thu, Jun 11, 2026 at 05:39:16PM +0000, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 11:18:26AM +0800, Hao Jia wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On 2026/6/9 02:01, Nhat Pham wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2026 at 9:48 AM Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > But OTOH, this does seem like a recipe for inefficient reclaim. We
> > > > > might exhaust hotter memory of a cgroup while sparing colder memory of
> > > > > another cgroup... But maybe if they're all cold anyway, then who
> > > > > cares, and eventually you'll get to the cold stuff of other child?
> > > > 
> > > > Forgot to respond to this part, the unfairness is limited to the batch
> > > > size per-invocation, so it should be fine as long as you don't divide
> > > > the amount over 100 iterations for some reason. Also yes, all memory
> > > > in zswap is cold, the relative coldness is not that important (e.g.
> > > > compared to relative coldness during reclaim).
> > > 
> > > Ok then yeah, I think we should shelve per-memcg cursor for the next
> > > version. Down the line, if we have more data that unfairness is an
> > > issue, we can always fix it. One step at a time :)
> > 
> > Thanks a lot to Yosry, Nhat, and Shakeel for the great suggestions!
> > 
> > Let me summarize what I plan to do in the next version to make sure we are
> > on the same page:
> > 
> >  - Drop the per-memcg cursor and keep the root cgroup cursor
> > (zswap_next_shrink) logic intact.
> >  - Stick to using the zswap_writeback_only key, and change the proactive
> > writeback size to use the compressed size.
> >  - Consolidate and reuse the logic between shrink_worker() and
> > shrink_memcg(). Enable batch writeback in the shrink_worker() path, while
> > keeping the writeback behavior in the zswap_store() path unchanged.
> > 
> > Please let me know if I missed or misunderstood anything. Thanks again for
> > clearing things up!
> 
> Sorry for the late response, yes I think this makes sense. However, I
> have some comment about how this interacts with swap tiering, let me
> reply to the other thread.
> 

I think the swap tiers interaction will be figured out over next cycle. However
Hao can/should continue to push and we may decide to let it in orthogonal to
swap tiers.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-12 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-26 11:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/zswap: Implement per-cgroup proactive writeback Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm/zswap: Make shrink_worker writeback cursor per-memcg Hao Jia
2026-05-29 19:51   ` Nhat Pham
2026-05-30  1:24   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-01 11:07     ` Hao Jia
2026-06-01 16:44       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-01 16:47         ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-01 17:08       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-02 11:32         ` Hao Jia
2026-06-02  0:31       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-02 11:33         ` Hao Jia
2026-06-02 23:19           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03  3:02             ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:53               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04  1:58                 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04  5:34                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 13:06                     ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04 16:10                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 17:23                       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-08 12:50                         ` Hao Jia
2026-06-08 16:23                           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-08 16:44                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 16:48                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 18:01                               ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-09  3:18                                 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-11 17:39                                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-12 16:40                                     ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2026-06-12 18:15                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-26 11:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm/zswap: Implement proactive writeback Hao Jia
2026-05-29 19:58   ` Nhat Pham
2026-05-30  1:40     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 11:22       ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:58         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:14           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-04  2:11             ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04  5:36               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 14:01                 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 18:30                 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 19:50                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 20:19                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 22:22                       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 22:27                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-09  4:19                           ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-11 17:45                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-11 19:12                               ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12  7:27                                 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-12 17:02                                   ` [swap tier discussion] " Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12 21:31                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-30  1:37   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 11:27     ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:55       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:23       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:26         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:34           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:43             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:51               ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:54                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-26 11:46 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm/zswap: Add per-memcg stat for " Hao Jia
2026-05-29 20:01   ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 11:29     ` Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:46 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] selftests/cgroup: Add tests for zswap " Hao Jia
2026-05-29 20:02   ` Nhat Pham

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