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From: Bryan O'Donoghue <pure.logic-SyKdqv6vbfZdzvEItQ6vdLNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
To: "Kweh,
	Hock Leong"
	<hock.leong.kweh-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko
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Cc: Matt Fleming
	<matt-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel
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	Boon Leong"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] efi: Enhance capsule loader to support signed Quark images
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:51:47 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <89831548-506f-9199-57ae-400ce020081a@nexus-software.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F54AEECA5E2B9541821D670476DAE19C5DE5373E-j2khPEwRog0FyVwBAnZdSLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On 17/02/17 08:23, Kweh, Hock Leong wrote:
> And to have UEFI expand
> it capsule support and take in signed binary would be a more secured way.
> So, influencing UEFI community to have such support would be the right
> move throughout the discussion. That is my summary.

CSH stands for "Clanton Secure Header" - Clanton being the internal
code-name for Quark X1000 prior to release.

There is no chance the UEFI standard (which can be used on ARM and
potentially other architectures) will accept a SoC specific
route-of-trust prepended header.

Sure some kind of binary signed headers might become part of the
standard eventually but, definitely _not_ a CSH.

The fact is CSH exists in the real-world and a UEFI firmware supports
accepting the CSH/UEFI-capsule pair for updating itself.

I think a far more practical solution is to accommodate the defacto
implementation (the only ? current implementation). To me it defies
reason to have Quark X1000 be the only system (that I know of) capable
of doing a capsule update - have capsule code in the kernel - but _not_
support the header prepended to that capsule that the Quark
firmware/bootrom require.

Right now the capsule code is dead code on Quark x1000. Let's do the
right thing and make it usable. I fully support having a
separate/parallel conversation with the UEFI body but, I'd be amazed if
the "Clanton Secure Header" made it into the standard...

-- 
bod

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-17  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-15 18:14 [PATCH 0/2] efi: Enhance capsule loader to support signed Quark images Jan Kiszka
2017-02-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] efi/capsule: Prepare for loading images with security header Jan Kiszka
2017-02-15 18:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] efi/capsule: Add support for Quark " Jan Kiszka
     [not found]   ` <47e493c47aa79b68be52f743ac1790fddab22938.1487182480.git.jan.kiszka-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-17  1:30     ` Bryan O'Donoghue
     [not found]       ` <9949ecad-4b73-cccc-7e66-0afe0d2f4087-SyKdqv6vbfZdzvEItQ6vdLNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-24 16:44         ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found] ` <cover.1487182480.git.jan.kiszka-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-15 18:17   ` [PATCH 0/2] efi: Enhance capsule loader to support signed Quark images Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]     ` <CAKv+Gu_4UVAVp0WJT4drY8MijD7-CuhLUghVNhoLA-1VjQ_m4w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-15 18:47       ` Jan Kiszka
2017-02-15 18:41   ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-02-15 18:46   ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]     ` <CAHp75VeVZo8f_aXZ=R8Y+++RSQeT=tFZmL6NNfekKJTkJc-nZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-15 18:50       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]         ` <1bf3c9d8-56aa-818b-350f-deb62ad14e08-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-15 18:59           ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]             ` <4014c5e6-b5a0-7552-166f-a42992532c09-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16  3:00               ` Kweh, Hock Leong
     [not found]                 ` <F54AEECA5E2B9541821D670476DAE19C5DE533B3-j2khPEwRog0FyVwBAnZdSLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16  7:29                   ` Jan Kiszka
2017-02-18 21:48                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                       ` <CAKv+Gu_2edBA++6ywE4FE2NSbkCWjEULPmriS1iBifsRCgA+OA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-19 13:33                         ` Jan Kiszka
2017-02-20  1:33                           ` Bryan O'Donoghue
     [not found]                             ` <c1beeeb5-2359-d9c1-4759-b112c7d1a613-SyKdqv6vbfZdzvEItQ6vdLNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-20  1:52                               ` Jan Kiszka
2017-03-24 15:18                             ` Jan Kiszka
2017-02-17  0:53                   ` Bryan O'Donoghue
     [not found]                     ` <f4f63644-e099-b192-5337-15c07d761fb4-SyKdqv6vbfZdzvEItQ6vdLNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-17  8:23                       ` Kweh, Hock Leong
     [not found]                         ` <F54AEECA5E2B9541821D670476DAE19C5DE5373E-j2khPEwRog0FyVwBAnZdSLfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-17  9:24                           ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                             ` <5da59d02-d299-f5c7-48fa-a67bdd017252-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 12:12                               ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                                 ` <20170228121255.GD28416-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 12:20                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2017-02-28 12:29                                     ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]                                       ` <20170228122947.GE28416-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 13:25                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                           ` <CAKv+Gu-OCr1nX0-kWnWg4=DnDpZvM-ipSCfLbBA8h1e5eJYBbw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 13:35                                             ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]                                               ` <CAHp75VcQ8ZoGqR=iOzVq0WbieMvGFnkTQZ-TBmwBTZT0B1NS_Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 13:36                                                 ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]                                                   ` <CAHp75VcQcALWdcWAM-odAAnR1uEwE=4rOhtB2E9WtS84ORH8Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 15:07                                                     ` Bryan O'Donoghue
2017-02-28 15:09                                                       ` Bryan O'Donoghue
2017-02-28 15:27                                                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-02-28 16:52                                                         ` Bryan O'Donoghue
2017-02-28 17:18                                                           ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]                                                             ` <CAHp75VdELFFeoJXXHbsHHuyd2xBY0y4T+M7q5+ZFN=ep3Qy9HQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 17:42                                                               ` Bryan O'Donoghue
     [not found]                                                                 ` <ce0ddedb-ee72-8dba-0e60-8d5e2d7a69a0-SyKdqv6vbfZdzvEItQ6vdLNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-01 14:02                                                                   ` Bryan O'Donoghue
2017-03-01 14:55                                                                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2017-02-17  9:51                           ` Bryan O'Donoghue [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <89831548-506f-9199-57ae-400ce020081a-SyKdqv6vbfZdzvEItQ6vdLNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-17 10:14                               ` Jan Kiszka
2017-02-17 11:42                                 ` Bryan O'Donoghue

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