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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: tytso@mit.edu
Cc: joannelkoong@gmail.com, miklos@szeredi.hu, John@groves.net,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, bernd@bsbernd.com,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, neal@gompa.dev
Subject: [PATCHSET RFC v3 1/3] fuse2fs: use fuse iomap data paths for better file I/O performance
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 16:25:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <175279460935.715479.15460687085573767955.stgit@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250717231038.GQ2672029@frogsfrogsfrogs>

Hi all,

Switch fuse2fs to use the new iomap file data IO paths instead of
pushing it very slowly through the /dev/fuse connection.  For local
filesystems, all we have to do is respond to requests for file to device
mappings; the rest of the IO hot path stays within the kernel.  This
means that we can get rid of all file data block processing within
fuse2fs.

Because we're not pinning dirty pages through a potentially slow network
connection, we don't need the heavy BDI throttling for which most fuse
servers have become infamous.  Yes, mapping lookups for writeback can
stall, but mappings are small as compared to data and this situation
exists for all kernel filesystems as well.

The performance of this new data path is quite stunning: on a warm
system, streaming reads and writes through the pagecache go from
60-90MB/s to 2-2.5GB/s.  Direct IO reads and writes improve from the
same baseline to 2.5-8GB/s.  FIEMAP and SEEK_DATA/SEEK_HOLE now work
too.  The kernel ext4 driver can manage about 1.6GB/s for pagecache IO
and about 2.6-8.5GB/s, which means that fuse2fs is about as fast as the
kernel for streaming file IO.

Random 4k buffered IO is not so good: plain fuse2fs pokes along at
25-50MB/s, whereas fuse2fs with iomap manages 90-1300MB/s.  The kernel
can do 900-1300MB/s.  Random directio is worse: plain fuse2fs does
20-30MB/s, fuse-iomap does about 30-35MB/s, and the kernel does
40-55MB/s.  I suspect that metadata heavy workloads do not perform well
on fuse2fs because libext2fs wasn't designed for that and it doesn't
even have a journal to absorb all the fsync writes.  We also probably
need iomap caching really badly.

These performance numbers are slanted: my machine is 12 years old, and
fuse2fs is VERY poorly optimized for performance.  It contains a single
Big Filesystem Lock which nukes multi-threaded scalability.  There's no
inode cache nor is there a proper buffer cache, which means that fuse2fs
reads metadata in from disk and checksums it on EVERY ACCESS.  Sad!

Despite these gaps, this RFC demonstrates that it's feasible to run the
metadata parsing parts of a filesystem in userspace while not
sacrificing much performance.  We now have a vehicle to move the
filesystems out of the kernel, where they can be containerized so that
malicious filesystems can be contained, somewhat.

If you're going to start using this code, I strongly recommend pulling
from my git trees, which are linked below.

Comments and questions are, as always, welcome.

e2fsprogs git tree:
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/djwong/e2fsprogs.git/log/?h=fuse2fs-iomap
---
Commits in this patchset:
 * fuse2fs: implement bare minimum iomap for file mapping reporting
 * fuse2fs: add iomap= mount option
 * fuse2fs: implement iomap configuration
 * fuse2fs: register block devices for use with iomap
 * fuse2fs: always use directio disk reads with fuse2fs
 * fuse2fs: implement directio file reads
 * fuse2fs: use tagged block IO for zeroing sub-block regions
 * fuse2fs: only flush the cache for the file under directio read
 * fuse2fs: add extent dump function for debugging
 * fuse2fs: implement direct write support
 * fuse2fs: turn on iomap for pagecache IO
 * fuse2fs: improve tracing for fallocate
 * fuse2fs: don't zero bytes in punch hole
 * fuse2fs: don't do file data block IO when iomap is enabled
 * fuse2fs: disable most io channel flush/invalidate in iomap pagecache mode
 * fuse2fs: re-enable the block device pagecache for metadata IO
 * fuse2fs: avoid fuseblk mode if fuse-iomap support is likely
 * fuse2fs: don't allow hardlinks for now
 * fuse2fs: enable file IO to inline data files
 * fuse2fs: set iomap-related inode flags
 * fuse2fs: add strictatime/lazytime mount options
 * fuse2fs: configure block device block size
---
 configure       |   47 ++
 configure.ac    |   32 +
 lib/config.h.in |    3 
 misc/fuse2fs.c  | 1567 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
 4 files changed, 1628 insertions(+), 21 deletions(-)


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-17 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-17 23:10 [RFC v3] fuse: use fs-iomap for better performance so we can containerize ext4 Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:25 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2025-07-17 23:39   ` [PATCH 01/22] fuse2fs: implement bare minimum iomap for file mapping reporting Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:39   ` [PATCH 02/22] fuse2fs: add iomap= mount option Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 03/22] fuse2fs: implement iomap configuration Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 04/22] fuse2fs: register block devices for use with iomap Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 05/22] fuse2fs: always use directio disk reads with fuse2fs Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:40   ` [PATCH 06/22] fuse2fs: implement directio file reads Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 07/22] fuse2fs: use tagged block IO for zeroing sub-block regions Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 08/22] fuse2fs: only flush the cache for the file under directio read Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 09/22] fuse2fs: add extent dump function for debugging Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:41   ` [PATCH 10/22] fuse2fs: implement direct write support Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:42   ` [PATCH 11/22] fuse2fs: turn on iomap for pagecache IO Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:42   ` [PATCH 12/22] fuse2fs: improve tracing for fallocate Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:42   ` [PATCH 13/22] fuse2fs: don't zero bytes in punch hole Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 14/22] fuse2fs: don't do file data block IO when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 15/22] fuse2fs: disable most io channel flush/invalidate in iomap pagecache mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 16/22] fuse2fs: re-enable the block device pagecache for metadata IO Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:43   ` [PATCH 17/22] fuse2fs: avoid fuseblk mode if fuse-iomap support is likely Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 18/22] fuse2fs: don't allow hardlinks for now Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 19/22] fuse2fs: enable file IO to inline data files Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 20/22] fuse2fs: set iomap-related inode flags Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:44   ` [PATCH 21/22] fuse2fs: add strictatime/lazytime mount options Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 22/22] fuse2fs: configure block device block size Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:26 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 2/3] fuse2fs: use fuse iomap data paths for better file I/O performance Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 1/1] fuse2fs: enable caching of iomaps Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:26 ` [PATCHSET RFC v3 3/3] fuse2fs: handle timestamps and ACLs correctly when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 01/10] fuse2fs: allow O_APPEND and O_TRUNC opens Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:45   ` [PATCH 02/10] fuse2fs: skip permission checking on utimens when iomap is enabled Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 03/10] fuse2fs: let the kernel tell us about acl/mode updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 04/10] fuse2fs: better debugging for file mode updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 05/10] fuse2fs: debug timestamp updates Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:46   ` [PATCH 06/10] fuse2fs: use coarse timestamps for iomap mode Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 07/10] fuse2fs: add tracing for retrieving timestamps Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 08/10] fuse2fs: enable syncfs Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 09/10] fuse2fs: skip the gdt write in op_destroy if syncfs is working Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-17 23:47   ` [PATCH 10/10] fuse2fs: implement statx Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18  8:54 ` [RFC v3] fuse: use fs-iomap for better performance so we can containerize ext4 Christian Brauner
2025-07-18 11:55   ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 19:31     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-18 19:56       ` Amir Goldstein
2025-07-18 20:21         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-23 13:05       ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-23 18:04         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-31 10:13           ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-31 17:22             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-04 10:12               ` Christian Brauner
2025-08-12 20:20                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-15 14:20                   ` Christian Brauner

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