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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Anton Altaparmakov <aia21@cam.ac.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linuxfoundation.org, Mark Fasheh <mfasheh@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:49:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080915144948.GB16491@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080914175810.GB13074@mit.edu>

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 01:58:10PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 09:48:59AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > Let's make it clear, I've said to not add it unless we have users.  And
> > What Anton brought up is exactly the reason for that - to support
> > encrypted extents we actually need more information in the structure.
> > That's why we need to have this broad and sometimes a little slow
> > discussion on fsdevel instead of just rushing in some flag for future
> > use that won't make any sense in the end.
> 
> You're incorrect here.  Encrypted extents does not require any
> additional information in the structure.  Compressed extents are a bit
> more useful if we allow the the filesystem to return the amount of
> space used on the storage device,

Sorry, should have written compressed and not encrypted above.

> cramfs).  But that being said, the fundamental question here is
> whether we should try to plan for future users of the data structure,
> and reserve space now for the, or not.  Your approach of saying Nein!
> Nein!  Nein! for every single feature where we don't have
> implementation pretty much guarantees that we will need to expand the
> structure later to make room for these extra fields, and then we'll
> need to define a new ioctl and have similar complexity to the stat
> system call to support multiple userspace interfaces.  If we try to
> anticipate new users in advance, then there is at least a *chance*
> we'll get it right up front.

I agree to you (or someone elses - don't remember anymore) suggestion
to put in more padding so we can add fields later.  I strongly disagree
putting in features now that we neither have a user, nor a usecase or
testcase for.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-15 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-13 18:47 YET ANOTHER resend of the fiemap patches Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49 ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49   ` [PATCH 2/4] ocfs2: fiemap support Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49     ` [PATCH 3/4] generic block based fiemap implementation Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 18:49       ` [PATCH 4/4] Hook ext4 to the vfs fiemap interface Theodore Ts'o
2008-09-13 21:17   ` [PATCH 1/4] vfs: vfs-level " Anton Altaparmakov
2008-09-13 21:29     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-13 21:45       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-09-13 22:41         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-13 21:59       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2008-09-14 13:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 13:48       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 17:58         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-15 14:49           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2008-09-15 17:53             ` Mark Fasheh
2008-09-16  6:51               ` Andreas Dilger
2008-09-16 21:31               ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-20 16:47                 ` Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2008-09-29  1:07                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-29 21:13                     ` Mark Fasheh
2008-09-29 22:10                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-14 13:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 18:01     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-14 18:08       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-14 19:58         ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-15 14:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-16  6:49             ` Andreas Dilger
2008-09-16 22:03               ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-17 14:18                 ` Jörn Engel
2008-09-17 15:02                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-17 15:25                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-09-19 14:05                     ` Chris Mason
2008-09-19 17:38                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-20  7:43                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-09-20 13:50                           ` Chris Mason
2008-09-20 15:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-09-20 15:44                               ` Christoph Hellwig

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