From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Cc: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
Ethan Carter Edwards <ethan@ethancedwards.com>,
Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ext4: replace strcpy() with '.' assignment
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 18:07:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250523220719.GC332467@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85A9A687-D5E0-4EE4-8FFE-ED70C8CCE863@kernel.org>
On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 10:14:04AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>
>
> On May 23, 2025 7:24:49 AM PDT, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> >On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 01:31:00PM +0100, David Laight wrote:
> >>
> >> The compiler (or headers files) can also allow strcpy() of constant
> >> length strings into arrays (known size). Erroring requests that are too long.
> >> The strcpy() is then converted to a memcpy() which can then be optimised
> >> into writes of constants.
> >>
> >> So using strcpy() under those conditions 'isn't all bad' and can generate
> >> better (and less bug prone) code than trying to hand-optimise it.
> >>
> >> So even through strcpy() is usually a bad idea, there is not need to
> >> remove the calls that the compiler can validate as safe.
> >
> >I assume that what the hardening folks want to do is to assert that
> >strcpy is always evil(tm) so they can detect potential security bugs
> >by doing "git grep strcpy".
>
> FWIW, what I'd like is a lack of ambiguity for both humans and
> compilers. "Get rid of strcpy" is the Big Hammer solution for
> strcpy. The more precise version is "disallow strcpy of a src or dst
> where either lack a compile-time buffer size".
Well, technically speaking struct ext4_dir_entry.name has a fixed
compile-time buffer size:
struct ext4_dir_entry {
__le32 inode; /* Inode number */
__le16 rec_len; /* Directory entry length */
__le16 name_len; /* Name length */
char name[EXT4_NAME_LEN]; /* File name */
};
And what we're copying into name here is also fixed. It's either "."
or "..". As far as optimization is concerned, whether
de->name[0] = de->name[1] = '.';
could be better optimized by the compiler than:
strcpy(de->name, "..");
or
memcpy(de->name, "..", 2);
(which is all that is required)
Meh. Probably the compiler could optimized it into a 2-byte word
store, but it's not like mkdir is a hot path. :-)
It's probably easier to patch the code path and as opposed to having
the conversation about how "no, really, it's safe, and I can prove
it." If this was a performance hot path, I might care more, but it
isn't, so I don't.
- Ted
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-23 22:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-19 3:54 [PATCH v2] ext4: replace strcpy() with '.' assignment Ethan Carter Edwards
2025-05-19 5:58 ` kernel test robot
2025-05-19 13:56 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-19 5:58 ` kernel test robot
2025-05-19 13:52 ` Kees Cook
2025-05-19 14:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-23 12:31 ` David Laight
2025-05-23 14:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-05-23 17:14 ` Kees Cook
2025-05-23 22:07 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
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