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From: Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] dummycon: only build module if there are users
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:35:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <963bba53-2200-4899-b1fd-2cc650990d87@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79d35e3b-9a0d-41a5-ab07-797bfa1e19cb@app.fastmail.com>

On 2/26/25 12:46, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025, at 09:16, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
>> Am 26.02.25 um 08:55 schrieb Arnd Bergmann:
>> Here's another general question. vgacon and fbcon only seem usable with
>> CONFIG_VT=y. Wouldn't it make sense to have them depend on CONFIG_VT=y?
>> dummycon could then be implemented as part of the vt code, maybe even
>> become a vt-internal thing. The console code is complex, so I'm probably
>> missing something here?
>
> I think in theory one may have a system use fbcon purely to get the
> boot logo, but not actually support VT.  I had also assumed there might
> be a way to use fbcon as the console (i.e. printk) but not register
> the tty, but it looks like the console code still requires vt.
>
> After I looked at the vt and conswitchp code some more, I wonder
> if we could go the other way and instead of integrating it more
> make the conswitchp logic optional: most of the complexity here
> deals with switching between text console and fbcon dynamically,
> but having any text console support is getting very rare (vga
> on alpha/mips/x86-32, newport on mips-ip22, sti on parisc).

Yes, it's rare. But on parisc, if no supported fbdev or drm
graphic card is found, it needs to stays on sticon (which always works).
Otherwise - if a card was found - the kernel switches dynamically to fbcon.

> If we do this, the conswitchp code could be merged with dummycon
> in drivers/video/console, with the simpler alternative just
> calling into fbcon functions.

As mentioned above, that should be optional then.

> I'm not sure if we can already drop
> vgacon from normal x86-64 distro configs, i.e. if there are cases
> that are not already covered by any of efi-earlycon, efifb,
> vga16fb, vesafb/uvesafb or a PCI DRM driver.

Helge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-26 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-25 16:44 [PATCH 1/3] dummycon: only build module if there are users Arnd Bergmann
2025-02-25 16:44 ` [PATCH 2/3] dummycon: fix default rows/cols Arnd Bergmann
2025-02-26  7:54   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-02-25 16:44 ` [PATCH 3/3] mdacon: rework dependency list Arnd Bergmann
2025-02-26  8:08   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-02-26  7:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] dummycon: only build module if there are users Thomas Zimmermann
2025-02-26  7:53   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-02-26  7:55   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-02-26  8:16     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-02-26 11:46       ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-02-26 12:05         ` Javier Martinez Canillas
2025-02-26 13:18           ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-02-26 16:35         ` Helge Deller [this message]
2025-02-27  9:25         ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-03-09  1:46 ` Helge Deller

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