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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org>,
	 Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.pizza>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] pidfd: add pidfdfs
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:15:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240218-gremien-kitzeln-761dc0cdc80c@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whFXk2awwYoE7-7BO=ugFXDUJTh05gWgJk0Db1KP1VvDg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 09:30:19AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 at 06:00, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > But I have a really stupid (I know nothing about vfs) question, why do we
> > need pidfdfs_ino and pid->ino ? Can you explain why pidfdfs_alloc_file()
> > can't simply use, say, iget_locked(pidfdfs_sb, (unsigned long)pid) ?
> >
> > IIUC, if this pid is freed and then another "struct pid" has the same address
> > we can rely on __wait_on_freeing_inode() ?
> 
> Heh. Maybe it would work, but we really don't want to expose core
> kernel pointers to user space as the inode number.

And then also the property that the inode number is unique for the
system lifetime is extremely useful for userspace and I would like to
retain that property.

> 
> So then we'd have to add extra hackery to that (ie we'd have to
> intercept stat calls, and we'd have to have something else for
> ->d_dname() etc..).
> 
> Those are all things that the VFS does support, but ...
> 
> So I do prefer Christian's new approach, although some of it ends up
> being a bit unclear.
> 
> Christian, can you explain why this:
> 
>         spin_lock(&alias->d_lock);
>         dget_dlock(alias);
>         spin_unlock(&alias->d_lock);
> 
> instead of just 'dget()'?

No reason other than I forgot to switch to dget().

> 
> Also, while I found the old __ns_get_path() to be fairly disgusting, I
> actually think it's simpler and clearer than playing around with the
> dentry alias list. So my expectation on code sharing was that you'd

It's overall probably also cheaper, I think.

> basically lift the old __ns_get_path(), make *that* the helper, and
> just pass it an argument that is the pointer to the filesystem
> "stashed" entry...
> 
> And yes, using "atomic_long_t" for stashed is a crime against
> humanity. It's also entirely pointless. There are no actual atomic
> operations that the code wants except for reading and writing (aka
> READ_ONCE() and WRITE_ONCE()) and cmpxchg (aka just cmpxchg()). Using
> "atomic_long_t" buys the code nothing, and only makes things more
> complicated and requires crazy casts.

Yup, I had that as a draft and that introduced struct ino_stash which
contained a dentry pointer and the inode number using cmpxchg(). But I
decided against this because ns_common.h would require to have access to
ino_stash definition so we wouldn't just able to hide it in internal.h
where it should belong.

> 
> So I think the nsfs.c code should be changed to do
> 
> -       atomic_long_t stashed;
> +       struct dentry *stashed;
> 
> and remove the crazy workarounds for using the wrong type.
> 
> Something like the attached patch.
> 
> Then, I think the whole "lockref_get_not_dead()" etc games of
> __ns_get_path() could be extracted out into a helper function that
> takes that "&ns->stashed" pointer as an argument, and now that helper
> could also be used for pidfs, except pidfs obviously just does
> "&pid->stashed" instead.
> 
> Hmm?
> 
> Entirely untested patch. Also, the above idea may be broken because of
> some obvious issue that I didn't think about. Christian?

Yeah, sure. Works for me. Let me play with something.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-18 11:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-13 16:45 [PATCH 0/2] Move pidfd to tiny pseudo fs Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 16:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] pidfd: move struct pidfd_fops Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 16:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] pidfd: add pidfdfs Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 17:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-14 14:40     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-14 18:27       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-14 18:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-15 16:11           ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-16 11:50             ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-16 16:41               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-17 13:59               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-02-17 17:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-17 17:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-18 11:15                   ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2024-02-18 11:33                     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-18 17:54                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-18 18:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-18 18:57                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-19 18:05                             ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-19 18:34                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-19 21:18                                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-19 23:24                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-18 14:27                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-02-18  9:30                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-22 19:03   ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-02-23 10:18     ` Heiko Carstens
2024-02-23 11:56       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 11:55     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 12:57       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-02-23 13:27         ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 13:35           ` Heiko Carstens
2024-02-23 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 21:26       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 21:58         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24  5:52           ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24  6:05             ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24 18:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 19:15               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24 19:19                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24 19:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 19:26                 ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-02-27 22:13                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-03-12 10:35   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-03-12 14:09     ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-15 11:10   ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-15 16:39     ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-16  5:28       ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-17  7:09         ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-17  7:54           ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-17 20:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-20  8:23               ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-20 19:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-20 19:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-21  6:07                     ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-21  6:13                       ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-21 12:33                         ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-21 12:40                           ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-21 15:10                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-25 11:57                               ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-21 12:16               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 17:02 ` [PATCH 0/2] Move pidfd to tiny pseudo fs Christian Brauner

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