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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2026 12:56:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3752203b-9806-42aa-83be-8b88dec12e21@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aiKd7tfrICFnlWxV@lucifer>

On 6/5/26 12:07, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 05, 2026 at 11:38:52AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 6/4/26 05:10, xu.xin16@zte.com.cn wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed, it's very complex, but having the changes of 15 patches scattered across
>>> various subsystems is really frustrating for reviewers. It took me a whole day to
>>> read through the entire patch set, which made an already complicated matter even
>>> more complex (maintaining such complex code in the future will be a pain).
>>>
>>> However, overall, I think the original intention behind Tao's patch is innovative
>>> and valuable, and Tao could definitely make this patch set simpler and more
>>> readable, because the core changes actually start from PATCH 10.
>>>
>>> I believe that if Tao had done the following, things might have gone better and easier
>>> for reviewing. In fact, I understand the motivation behind the patch is quite simple
>>> at its core (just wanting to avoid allocating the anon_vma structure when a VMA hasn't
>>> been truly forked, and instead put the VMA information directly into folio->mapping):
>>>
>>> 1) You could actually simplify your patch significantly — without adding a lot of wrappers
>>> and helper functions that introduce extra review overhead — and keep only the most essential elements.
>>>
>>> 2) Provide complete test code (in tools/testing/selftest) that covers the affected functionality,
>>> such as VMA, huge pages, KSM, etc.
>>>
>>> 3) Use the RFC tag to start a discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be very glad to see if Tao could post a simpler v2 version that does not alter the rmap
>>> core data structures too much and does not introduce excessive complexity, no matter whether
>>> it can be merged finaly.
>>
>> I'm afraid, the overall complexity would increase in any case.
>>
>> So to quote myself "But fundamentally, I think we want to find a new design that
>> is just naturally simpler."
> 
> In general I'm prioritising my work, and hope to ship something within the next
> month, even if it might just be some early bits of work on this to plumb stuff
> in, and certainly the main ting will be an RFC :)

Cool, I'll cover your back on upstream review as much as you need :)

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-05 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-27 11:01 [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 01/15] mm/rmap: introduce anon_rmap APIs for anonymous folios tao
2026-05-27 11:44   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28  7:47     ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 02/15] mm: convert anon_vma rmap APIs to anon_rmap tao
2026-05-27 11:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28  8:55     ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 03/15] mm: introduce anon_vma_tree_t for multiple anon_vma topologies tao
2026-05-27 11:56   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28  9:00     ` wangtao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 04/15] mm: switch to anon_vma_tree_t APIs in preparation for ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 05/15] mm: add CONFIG_ANON_VMA_LAZY and folio helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 06/15] mm: add CONFIG_VMA_REF and VMA helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 07/15] mm: replace direct FOLIO_MAPPING_ANON usage with helpers tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 08/15] mm: prepare rmap infrastructure for ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 09/15] mm: implement ANON_VMA_LAZY rmap semantics tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 10/15] mm: defer anon_vma creation with ANON_VMA_LAZY tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 11/15] mm: handle ANON_VMA_LAZY in huge page operations tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 12/15] mm: handle ANON_VMA_LAZY during migration tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 13/15] mm: support setup and upgrade of ANON_VMA_LAZY folios tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 14/15] mm: support merging of ANON_VMA_LAZY VMAs tao
2026-05-27 11:01 ` [PATCH 15/15] mm: enable CONFIG_ANON_VMA_LAZY on arm64 and x86_64 tao
2026-05-27 11:23 ` [PATCH 0/15] mm: introduce ANON_VMA_LAZY for deferred anon_vma creation Pedro Falcato
2026-05-28  6:45   ` wangtao
2026-05-28  7:14     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 11:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28  7:11   ` wangtao
2026-05-28  7:22     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-27 14:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28  7:57   ` wangtao
2026-05-28  8:14     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-28 23:31       ` Barry Song
2026-05-29  2:20         ` wangzicheng
2026-05-29  6:56           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29  6:45         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29  9:41         ` wangtao
2026-05-29 12:03           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-01  1:46             ` wangtao
2026-06-02  2:15               ` Barry Song
2026-06-02  2:46                 ` Lance Yang
2026-06-02 15:37                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 19:44                     ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-02 23:03                     ` Barry Song
2026-06-03  7:07                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-02 19:56                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-02 22:27                   ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 20:47             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-29 15:07         ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-29 15:40           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-30 11:28             ` Barry Song
2026-06-02 16:07 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-03  2:59   ` wangtao
2026-06-03  3:12     ` wangtao
2026-06-03  7:54     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-03 11:05       ` wangtao
2026-06-03 11:53         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-04  3:50           ` wangtao
2026-06-03 20:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-03 22:14   ` Barry Song
2026-06-04  4:03     ` wangtao
2026-06-04  4:20       ` Barry Song
2026-06-04  7:35         ` wangtao
2026-06-09 15:26           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-09 15:49             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-04  3:10   ` xu.xin16
2026-06-04  4:10     ` wangtao
2026-06-05  9:38     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-05 10:07       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-05 10:56         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-06-04  9:40   ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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