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From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christian Brauner (Amutable)" <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:08:11 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jyreofpw.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260701-work-coding-assistants-v1-1-a20a94d1d606@kernel.org>

Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> writes:

> I remain very confused by our coding assistant contribution guidelines.
> I'm going to be a bit polemic now but this seriously in good faith.
>
> Why precisely do we require all this detailed information about what
> specific coding assistant was used?

From my memory of the discussions:

- If a specific LLM turns out to be in a bad position with regard to
  some copyright ruling, we can identify the commits that might have
  been tainted by it.

- Similarly should an LLM prove to have an inclination toward specific
  types of security issues.

Whether either of these would ever actually prove useful is not
something I can hazard a guess for.

> I find it very irritating that our git history has effectively started
> to function a bit like a free advertising platform for a bunch of AI
> companies and their proprietary agents and models.
>
> And it reamins unclear to me what exactly we do get out of this detailed
> information: Do we want to run statistical analysis on what agent and
> model is used the most and publish that on LWN at some point?

...wasn't in my plans ...

> I acknowledge that my stance is even more radical: imho we would just
> stop it with any disclosure requirements completely. It's useless imho.
> We already see that other than core contributors most people don't care
> and will just not disclose their usage of AI.

The widespread ignoring of the disclosure rule is, IMO, something we
need to address somehow; were I still on the TAB, I'd be raising the
issue there.  Either we find a way to be serious about enforcing the
disclosure rule, or we should just drop it.  A rule that everybody
ignores is less than useful.

(That said, 706 commits in 7.2-rc1 include Assisted-by tags, so *some*
people are complying.  That's about 5% of the total.  What do we think
is the actual use of LLMs for the creation of kernel patches?)

jon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-01 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 15:54 [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-02  7:10   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 11:35     ` Mark Brown
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]
2026-07-01 16:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:11   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:51   ` David Disseldorp
2026-07-01 16:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:27   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  8:10       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:16         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 10:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:51         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 12:49           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:41             ` Jani Nikula
2026-07-02 13:48               ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 13:26           ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:35             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:47             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:57             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:09               ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 14:46                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 16:18                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 16:29                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  8:08     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:28       ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:48         ` Carlos Maiolino
2026-07-02  9:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-01 18:35 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-01 18:53   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-02  7:29     ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:28   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  8:12 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  8:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-02  9:09     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  9:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:38     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  9:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:57         ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 12:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:07             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:37               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:47                 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 13:09             ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 13:25               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 10:34     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 12:39         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:53           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:23       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 10:27 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 11:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:40   ` Carlos Maiolino

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