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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 10:16:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41784a0d-b942-4fbb-ad0a-6d8a40ef4f2f@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260702081011.GH3433808@killaraus.ideasonboard.com>

On 7/2/26 10:10, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 09:46:37AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 7/2/26 09:27, Christian Brauner wrote:
>>>
>>> I think we should just drop any attribution as a general kernel-wide
>>> rule and let subsystems require them as needed. Then you can have all
>>> the complexity in mm for this that you think is needed for your
>>> workflow to function. This is precisely what the subsystem profiles are
>>> for. So maybe just add:
>>>
>>> Documentation/process/maintainer-mm.rst
>>>
>>> alongside
>>>
>>> Documentation/process/maintainer-{tip,netdev,x86}.rst
>>>
>>> and lay down the rules that you require for LLM based submissions in
>>> whatever detail you need.
>>
>> I'm not really sure if having (more?) subsystem-specific tags is the way to go.
>> (below)
>>
>> So either we find a very simple, kernel-wide rule for such tags, or we drop them
>> entirely.
>>
>>>
>>> I don't see how this additional commentary you want would ever be
>>> enforced consistently across the kernel or who would even enforce it. I
>>> don't need more beaurocracy to chase after people in my subsystems tbh.
>>
>> That's certainly a good thing to discuss. (below)
>>
>>>
>>> The other thing is that I think this Assisted-by annotation is just
>>> noise in the changelog. If you want to know in detail what an LLM was
>>> used for when generating the patch it's mostly a signal for how
>>> "intense" of a review this will get afaict (already questionable imho
>>> but sure that's just something to disagree on).
>>
>> I'd be happy to just have such information in the cover letter. Without any
>> tags. Having subsystem-specific rules on the disclosure on that might be more
>> reasonable.
>>
>> I agree on the "enforce" aspect. It's impossible, but it's still easy to catch
>> people using AI irresponsibly today ... and that's what we care about. Not
>> people that know what they are doing using AI responsibly.
> 
> I have to reply to the "responsible" part: there's no possible ethical
> use of generative AI in FOSS development today.

haha, fair enough. I was focusing on the technical aspect.

-- 
Cheers,

David

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-02  8:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 15:54 [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution Christian Brauner
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-02  7:10   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 11:35     ` Mark Brown
2026-07-01 16:08 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-01 16:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:11   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  9:51   ` David Disseldorp
2026-07-01 16:10 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  7:27   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:46     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02  8:10       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:16         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-07-02 10:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:51         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-02 12:49           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:41             ` Jani Nikula
2026-07-02 13:48               ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-02 13:26           ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:35             ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:47             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:57             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 14:09               ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 14:46                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 16:18                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 16:29                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  8:08     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  8:28       ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02 13:48         ` Carlos Maiolino
2026-07-02  9:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-01 18:35 ` Jeff Layton
2026-07-01 18:53   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-02  7:29     ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  7:28   ` Christian Brauner
2026-07-02  8:12 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  8:44   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-02  9:09     ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02  9:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02  9:38     ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02  9:44       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 11:57         ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 12:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:07             ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 13:37               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:47                 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-02 13:09             ` Brian Foster
2026-07-02 13:25               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 10:34     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:23       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 12:39         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 12:53           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-07-02 13:23       ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-02 10:27 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-07-02 11:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-02 13:40   ` Carlos Maiolino

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